Debate: they’ll be after Newt. More on pepper spray. Annie McCaffrey, RIP

View 702 Tuesday, November 22, 2011

The occupy people heckled President Obama, who told them he is their leader, and he is in office for them.

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I’m still catching up with things. My time was consumed by locusts yesterday, and I returned to find my bathroom – mine, the one in my office suite – has been stripped of its flooring and a huge machine has been set up in there to dehydrate the subfloor. The room is functional but just barely. Things are even more chaotic than usual at Chaos Manor.

I’m trying to catch up. Thanks for your patience, particularly to those who subscribe or renew just now.

The debate tonight will be interesting, with Newt now the leading candidate. The moderators will be after him, trying to goad him into blackguarding the other candidates and otherwise make enemies of the other Republicans. Newt is generally too smart for this, but I expect one of the press to go too far – they’re surely planning on what they can to do irritate Newt – and it will be interesting to see how he handles this. Newt is generally the smartest guy in any room he is in, and will be so tonight, and he’s used to having people gang up on him. I can remember the days when he was trying to rebuild the conservative wing of the Republican Party in the House, with those long after-session speeches. CNN used to pan the empty House chamber as Newt spoke. He said “it’s not important that the House is full or not if the speech is good,” and slowly and over time the logic of his speeches moved him to the position of Minority Whip, then Speaker. He was an effective Whip; many have forgotten that.

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Pepper Spray and Public Order

One thing I am following is the problem of military control in cases of civil order. It’s relevant to the book we’re writing. If the army has to take control, what happens next?

Several of you have sent mail regarding the infamous pepper spray incident. I have selected two:

Campus Pepper

Hi,

I have been trained in the use of pepper spray and been sprayed myself many times. It is a safe way to gain compliance. Probably not fun for those getting sprayed but oh well. You need to give somebody a good blast to make sure it gets into the eyes and mucus membranes. It is not often that you get such an ideal opportunity to methodically spray somebody outside training but they were doing exactly what they should have.

The officers were methodical and pretty much emotionless about the whole deal because they’ve been sprayed (probably with the order to keep their eyes open while getting sprayed) and know that it does not harm them. The worst after effects are that you smell enchilada sauce for a couple days until it clears out of your hair and sinuses.

Thanks,

Don

BTW protesters have in the past led to the death of people in aid cars and such. I feel no sympathy for the idiots in the road.

 

Also:

Pepper spray

Dear Jerry:

First of all, all campus police officers are police officers, not security guards. I state that because a lot of people get it wrong. They are POST trained and certified. That said, these guys deserve to be fired. Pepper spray was a gross overreaction to the situation they confronted. The stuff is supposed to only be deployed in defense against a violent act or overwhelming threat. The protesters showed great discipline, did not break ranks or respond and the cops lost the battle right there. They were in the wrong even if what they did was permitted by law and custom because they were shown to be bullies and thugs rather than law enforcement officers dealing with a difficult situation. Martin Luther King used similar tactics against the police in the South during the Civil Rights marches and demonstrations. A recent poll showed that six out of ten people are indifferent to the Occupy movement and its actions. These images may change that. Nothing like a little righteous indignation to recruit people to a cause. My own response would have been to simply turn on a garden hose in a place where water would flow down the sidewalk to the protesters. Just a gentle, but cold stream. An hour or so of that would have broken their ranks. Pepper spray made martyrs. It provided images that the public will not soon forget. Cold water would not be as memorable and more effective in making people move.

Sincerely,

Francis Hamit

I certainly find Mr. Hamit’s solution to the problem more elegant than the pepper spray was. I don’t know the status of Campus Police in California. When I was a (part time; I needed a job while in graduate school) Campus Police Officer at the University of Washington in the 1950’s, we were State Police Officers, authorized and encouraged to carry weapons off duty. There wasn’t a lot of training involved, but there wasn’t a lot to do either. For amusement we might patrol lover’s lane areas, and we did have to keep watch on people visiting the campus at night in search of unlocked offices with calculators and typewriters to be stolen, but little else. We weren’t encouraged to make arrests, but in one case I had no choice, a chap who had no student ID and was carrying a burlap bag containing a typewriter and two calculators out the door of the business administration classroom. His claim that he was taking them to a student study conclave was not believable, in part because his grammar left much to be desired and he couldn’t name any of his teachers or any of the students awaiting his arrival to do their homework. The resulting paper work didn’t encourage me to make any other arrests. We did have instructions to look out for the Library Naked Guy, who wandered about in a trench coat in the library stacks (a maze and warren in which one could easily get lost) in search of young women to whom he could expose himself. Eventually he tried that on a female campus cop out of uniform, who although unarmed was able to arrest him by simply ordering him about. But I ramble.

I agree with Francis that the campus police played into the hands of the demonstrators by giving them a safe way to be heroic. I might even go so far as to require the command officer who actually ordered the pepper spraying to take a class on strategy and tactics, but really, no one there exceeded his authority. Bad judgment, perhaps, but there’s a lot of that going around.

Of course the incident will be used to take away attention from the real question, which is what the heck are we paying for at these terribly expensive universities? The students come out loaded with debt, the number of administrators rises without limit, and the notion that we are investing in our future by funding the Department of Ethnic Studies and the Department of Electrical Engineering at the same pay scales is patently absurd. This is investing in the future?

I agree that the Campus Police were out of line here, and the commanding officer needs some attention, but he didn’t give an illegal order, Firing the police who carried it out is not justified. As my first correspondent notes, the pepper spray makes you uncomfortable, but it’s not unreasonable to prefer it to the use of batons and physical force.

Me, I prefer Francis’s notion. It’s a cold day. Turn on the water upstream of the sitting students, and let them watch the water slowly come toward them. If that doesn’t work there are similar tactics. Of course you’ll be accused of brutality for turning the water on. Ah. Well.

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The Mamelukes seem to be in trouble in Egypt. We will see how their resolve holds up. One alternative is a regime similar to Syria or Iraq under Saddam. Another is simply to take the money and run. After the treatment of Mubarak the Marshall and the Generals understand what their future will be if they do nothing. They have seen the fall of Qaddaffi. So has Bashar in Syria. Arab Spring has already lead to Christian Disaster. The Middle East story continues. The Cairo protestors now demand that the Marshall “Leave”, which was the demand made of Mubarak. We have seen what happened to him.

My radio is telling me that the Egyptians are people with legitimate concerns. Now they want the fruits of their victory. It doesn’t mention that one of those fruits was pillaging the Christian communities that have coexisted in Egypt for a very long time. This isn’t your Occupy Wall Street movement. It’s not clear just who it is, or what the vast majority of the Egyptians think of this. At least some have their doubts: they’ve seen what happened in Iran.

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It’s lunch time and I’m still behind. There’s a lot of mail, and I’ll try to deal with some of that, but I also have fiction to work on. I’m making up the viewpoint characters.

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Anne McCaffrey, RIP

Annie was an old friend, a fellow WOTF judge, and all around good to know. I’ll miss seeing her every year at the WOTF events.

http://www.tor.com/blogs/2011/11/anne-mccaffrey-in-remembrance

 

Requiem aeternam dona eis, Domine,
et lux perpetua luceat eis.
Te decet hymnus, Deus, in Sion,
et tibi reddetur votum in Jerusalem.

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I have now watched the Republican debate. No one seriously injured, no clear winner. Newt as usual ‘won’ in the sense of being the best prepared. I note his references to rebuilding the armed forces according to a strategic design. A conversation we had many times when I was associated with him.

 

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Long knives, bunny inspectors, and send a bunny to the pre-Cambrian?

View 702 Monday, November 21, 2011

I have my medical class again this afternoon, and this morning I had to go out to get my fasting blood work done, so the day is a bit shot. I have been hard at work creating a new character for our book, and that part goes well if a bit slowly. I had hoped to have more words done, but that won’t happen today of course.

The storm over the pepper spray event at UC Davis continues. The protestors got what they wanted, except that there doesn’t seem to be any message from the protestors. The incident was ugly and won’t go much to the credit of the police, but it was an incident. It wasn’t Kent State. Now they have suspended the campus police chief. That’s silly, as is the campaign against the chancellor.

And the long knives are out: some Democratic Party officials are suggesting that President Obama ought to announce that he will not run for re-election, thus making things smooth for Hillary Clinton, who would certainly get the nomination.

As expected, the Supercommitee could agree on nothing, and will disband as Congress takes flight for the holidays. Now we will have the automatic drastic cuts: Medicare and the Military budgets will grow only 16% over the next five years instead of 21% as was planned. There will still be a huge deficit, spending will continue to go up, and the National Debt will continue to increase. We will still be dependent on borrowed money to run the federal government. The media will continue to tell us about the drastic budget cuts, only there won’t be anything cut. There will still be bunny inspectors and the TSA will continue its Kabuki Safety Dances, while planning to expand to trains, and busses. And the beat goes on.

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Regarding my corrections in mail yesterday:

CERN, FTL, and evolution

Jerry

You wrote: "Evolution is hardly in danger from CERN."

But wait! Given FTL information transmission by neutrinos, can time reversal be out of the question? In that case, could not a rabbit be sent back to the pre-Cambrian era to become fossilized for future excavation?

Mike

I should have thought of that!

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David Em is a long time friend and advisor and a very early pioneer in the use of computers to generate fine art. His “The Art of David Em” was one of the first computer-generated books of art ever published. I met him at a presentation at an annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science back when using computers to do presentations and art was science news – I forget precisely when, but during the 1980’s. Today I got this announcement from Michelle:

THE SHAPE OF THE UNIVERSE:

Recent Deep Space Photography

Curated by David Em

November 30, 2011 – February 9, 2012 (Gallery closed for the holidays, Dec 17 – Jan 8)

Reception: Wednesday, November 30, 6 – 9 PM.

Pasadena City College art gallery

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The Shape of the Universe is an exhibition of deep‐space photography, curated by artist David Em. The exhibition features recent images captured by NASA’s Hubble, Spitzer, and Chandra space telescopes, as well as several ground‐based astronomical telescopes.

Assembled with the cooperation of NASA’s Spitzer Science Center at Caltech, the European Southern Observatory and the Canada-France-Hawaii Telescope, curator David Em presents high-resolution prints in a way that encourages their consideration both as photographs in the context of fine art and as documents of new discoveries in cosmology. Additional information about the exhibit is at http://pasadena.edu/artgallery

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This exhibition was made possible by support from the Pasadena Art Alliance, the PCC Foundation, the Division of Natural Sciences and the Division of Visual Arts and Media Studies.

Image credit: NASA/JPL—Caltech. Infrared image of our Milky Way galaxy produced by NASA’s Spitzer space telescope, 2009.

GALLERY INFORMATION:

The gallery will be closed from December 17 through January 8.

DECEMBER HOURS: Monday through Thursday: 11:00 A.M. to 8:00 P.M; Friday, Saturday: Noon to 4:00 P.M. Closed Sundays and school holidays.

WINTER HOURS: (Jan. and Feb.): Monday – Thursdays: 11:00 AM – 4 PM. Closed Fridays and Weekends.

Recorded Gallery information: (626) 585-3285 <tel:%28626%29%20585-3285>

Gallery admission, reception and related events are all free of charge and open to the public.

PASADENA CITY COLLEGE ART GALLERY

1570 East Colorado Blvd.

Pasadena, CA 91106

I certainly intend to go see that!

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Jade, memory lapses, reading, and other mail

Mail 701 Sunday, November 20, 2011

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Feeling jaded about the Taj Mahal

Dear Jerry

Saw your link to the Maya Taj Mahal photo– after four decades of tropical sun and rain it needs a new coat of dayglow lime and orange paint to restore it to Magical Realism’s top ten list.

One correction is in order – you give yourself too little credit, as the Peabody Museum of Archaeology and Ethnology at Harvard & the Museum of Fine Arts Boston had you on the books as Associate Field Director of their joint venture, The Mesoamerican Jade Project.

Here for those interested is Bill Broad’s New York Time’s story about the project’s successful, if somewhat delayed conclusion- having gone missing for roughly 25 centuries, the lost jade mines of the Olmecs took a quarter century to track down:

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/22/world/in-guatemala-a-rhode-island-size-jade-lode.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm.html

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Attached is a picture of the end of the operation- After chasing rumor and reality over hill and dale, including the Sierra de las Minas, where we encountered the standard _Incidents of Travel In Central America_ assortment of mules, jaguars, coral snakes , live angry people with guns and peaceable dead ones without them , we finally got together enough good intel to end up with yours truly resting comfortably atop the the Quebrada Seca Olmec mother lode, a ~100 M3/ 300 tonne blue jade monolith about half way up the side of the Jalapa escarpment, which I arrived at on horseback ( If only we had thought to ask for horses in 1977

!) and dutifully reported in the December 2001 issue of _Antiquity_ — time it would seem makes archaeologists of us all

A fellow name of Helferich is writing a book about jade in Guatemala, with the rather grandiose title "Stone of Kings" but I fear he is in kahoots with the Antigua tourist traps that, absent any jade a Chinese dealer would touch, used high pressure salesmanship to foist ugly high pressure rocks, mostly opaque omphacitites on unsuspecting tourists.

Despite paying pennies per pound for bad jade in the Motagua valley, they are still advertising the products of digs like Don Angel Merida’s backhoe operation as produce of the entirely fictive "Quarry of the Maya Kings"

Russell Seitz

Thanks. It was an interesting adventure, complete with sleeping on top of the Land Cruiser while somewhat poisonous toads hopped about feasting on the cloud of mosquitoes that rose from the lake at dusk.

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Letter from England

The economy here seems to be gliding onto a sandbar. At least inflation has dropped to 5%. The expectation is for a double dip recession.

See if you can understand these articles. They’re on pensions in the UK:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/pensions/8899628/Will-the-Chancellor-demolish-pension-tax-breaks.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/pensions/8899230/Squeeze-on-pensions-is-for-greater-good-says-minister.html

"Good judgement comes from experience, experience comes from bad judgement." (SLClemens)

Harry Erwin, PhD

How many dips does it take before people begin referring to Depression? Ah well.

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Occupy Movement Goes Nuts

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The group plans on disrupting banks, Wall Street, homes of financial CEOs, and whoever else constitutes the top 1 percent of the wealth holders in America. Their message is one of civil disobedience, enabled by a home base surrounding L.A. City Hall that functions

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"There is no debt crisis. There is a revenue crisis. It is in the coffers of the 1 percent," Brito interjected.

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http://www.whittierdailynews.com/news/ci_19372839

This is frightening.  Clearly these people are putting out disinformation, misinformation, or they are speaking anything that sounds like it will fly.  If you confiscate all wealth of the top one percent, you will not even get one year’s GDP.  Then, after you confiscate that wealth how will you turn it into more wealth?  How will the former elite — now that they have no wealth? 

The statements from the article suggest that Occupy enthusiasts believe the top 1% in the list of successful Americans deserves negative sanction.  Why not use the courts, ballot box, and legislative bodies?  I think more thought, consideration, and communication is necessary.  So far, I see angry people who don’t seem to have the bile or zest to figure out what they’ve been screwed out of and whom screwed them.  The "movement" never dicusses these points.

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Most Respectfully,

Joshua Jordan, KSC

Percussa Resurgo

Movements never discuss such matters. And of course the Occupy enthusiasts no sooner draw attention before they are diluted and swamped by hangers on as well as organized groups. It’s a very old political tactic used by both Communists and Fascists between the wars among other times: let someone else draw a crowd, then go exploit the attention.

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Deutschland, Deutschland, ueber Alles.

<http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/284656/Germans-try-to-kill-off-pound>

Roland Dobbins

The art of economic warfare is not lost…

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One Nanosecond

You will of course have realized, perhaps belatedly, that either your recollection or Adm. Hopper is wrong.

One nanosecond is 299.8 mm, 5 mm. less than a foot. It is perhaps too bad that we went to the metric system before getting a good handle on the speed of light. One foot = one nanosecond at c would have been a nice, unambiguous standard.

By a curious coincidence, Thos. Jefferson’s suggested definition of a foot — one-fifth of the length of a uniform bar that beats one second when suspended as a pendulum — is a good bit closer to a nanosecond at c than it is to the current value of a foot.

Regards,

Ric

Ric Locke

I plead temporary insanity. Of course you’re right. I still have my nanosecond, but I haven’t looked at it for twenty years. I should have gone to the trophy case and dug it out. Thanks. And Grace Hopper was never wrong. And alas, that wasn’t the only lapse this week:

Evolution and light speed 

Dear Dr. Pournelle,

I read Chaos Manor today with interest, and this one snippet you posted caught my eye:

"I have yet to see a report of actual information travelling faster than light in these experiments, but that would be the obvious next experiment. If information is sent faster than light, the theory of evolution is in need of drastic revision, and theories like Petr Beckmann’s entangled gravitational fields as a form of aether bear examination."

Having read this, I have a simple question.

Why, exactly, does the theory of evolution need revision if information can be sent faster than light? Normally I understand what you’re talking about, but I’m afraid I need some education this time.

Many thanks if you can assist.

Respectfully,

Brian P.

The answer is nothing, of course. I meant Relativity. I should take more time proof reading. In my defense at least I managed to name an important theory. Just the wrong important theory. Evolution is hardly in danger from CERN.

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Georgetown University suggests reading comes from memorization

http://explore.georgetown.edu/news/?ID=60788&PageTemplateID=295

"WASHINGTON, D.C. — Skilled readers can recognize words at lightning fast speed when they read because the word has been placed in a visual dictionary of sorts, say Georgetown University Medical Center <http://gumc.georgetown.edu/> (GUMC) neuroscientists. The visual dictionary idea rebuts the theory that our brain “sounds out” words each time we see them…"

And of course this is a repeat of the study done generations ago that caused the educationists to denounce teaching phonics. Of course experienced readers do not “sound out” words. Over time they learn words about the same way that Chinese learn to read classical Chinese script, or Egyptians read hieroglyphs, of for that matter, readers of languages with a phonetic alphabet such as the Phoenicians have been reading their languages for over two thousand years. The phonetic revolution made it possible for everyone to learn to read, and to read words that they had never seen before: with a phonetic language you can say words you have never seen written before, so that your “reading language” and your “speaking language” are the same. Over time those who read learn the words, and don’t have to “sound them out”, but every now and then they may see a word they haven’t seen in a long time, and they may have to attack it with phonic skills. But the geniuses in the departments of education decided that since mature readers don’t sound out words, there was no point in teaching kids how to do that, thus neatly converting phonetic English into an ideographic language like Chinese or Egyptian hieroglyphics, and setting reading education back by two thousand years. California managed to go from the highest literacy rate to way down below average by forbidding the teaching of phonics in public schools. A generation of teachers grew up unable to teach phonics because they had never learned them.

The creature who imposed this idiocy on the State has since apologized, and I suppose he was sincere, but I don’t accept his arrogant apology. He was told better at the time.

You can find out more on this at http://www.readingtlc.com/ which is the web site for my wife’s reading program. It is a systematic phonics program that works, and if you know anyone from age 5 to adult who needs to learn to read English, this program will do the job. It has taught thousands, and in California after they had 20 years in which teaching reading was in effect outlawed by arrogant professors of utter ignorance, it has been damned well needed.

So I see the drum rolls are starting again?

So precisely how do science students read polymorphicnitrotoluene and other such words that they have never seen before? Only a damned fool thinks that people sound out all the words they read. But there is no shortage of idiots in education schools. I expected better from Georgetown.

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gun protection from TSA

Note that, per the TSA website, having a gun in hard-sided locked luggage doesn’t mean they can’t open it. It just means you have to go watch them do it and give then the key. This will still keep your items from being stolen–the airline never gets the key–but it’s not a magic way to keep the screeners from going through your luggage. (indeed, it’s probably more of a way to *ensure* that they go through it.)=

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Water Does not prevent dehydration

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/11/20/business-leaders-will-reportedly-face-jail-time-for-claiming-water-prevents/?test=latestnews

J

Not all the dolts are in departments of education.

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occasional success stories

there are occasional success stories. For example, the Dallas News reports on the stunningly good math and reading test scores achieved by third-grade pupils at Field Elementary school. There was a minor downside, though. They achieved those high math and reading test scores by devoting essentially all of their effort to teaching these kids math and reading, which of course meant they had to skip science and other subjects almost entirely. Not to worry, though. The kids still got grades in those other subjects. Of course, those grades were faked, sometimes assigned by teachers who’d never even taught the subjects in question. If I had school-age children, I’d do whatever it took to either homeschool them or get them into private schools. I don’t believe public schools–any public schools–can any longer be trusted to educate kids.

http://www.ttgnet.com/journal/

Some aren’t dolts.

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Newborn Pentagon DNA database exposed in Supreme Court

Another tip of the iceberg that may interest the curious:

<.>In a long running case, a Supreme Court has ruled to limit the use of blood samples collected from newborns by the government.The case has exposed the fact that there is an ongoing semi-covert movement by state and federal governments to claim ownership of every newborn baby’s DNA for the purpose of genetic research without the consent of individual citizens. The Minnesota Court ruled Wednesday that the Minnesota Department of Health is violating the law in storing, using and disseminating newborn screening test results and newborn DNA. Overruling a lower court’s decision, the state Supreme Court found that the samples are “Genetic Information” under the State Genetic Privacy Act, and held that “unless otherwise provided, the Department must have written informed consent to collect, use, store, or disseminate [the blood samples].”</>http://www.infowars.com/supreme-court-blocks-government-plan-to-claim-ownership-of-dna/

This is one of those "conspiracy theory" issues; look at that it wasn’t a theory after all it’s what happened.  —–

Most Respectfully,

Joshua Jordan, KSC

Percussa Resurgo

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Unexpected bio details,

Jerry

Biographical bits have the oddest way of turning up. Not long ago I re-read a lovely book called Queens Die Proudly, a 1943 book written by W L White, the man who wrote They Were Expendable. Like that book, Queens Die Proudly became a movie, the forgettable “Air Force.” Unlike the movie, Queens Die Proudly is fascinating, a look at B-17’s in the Philippines at the beginning of the war, and the American involvement in trying to stop the Japanese in what is now Indonesia. But toward the end is a bit about LBJ, of all people (the excerpt is from page 263 and pp. 266-267):

“A man doesn’t know what distance means until he flies that end of the world,” said Red, the crew chief. “Remember the time we had to make a forced landing right in the middle of the place?”

“I’ll never forget,” said Charlie, the bombardier. “It was about the time of that Buna business.”

“We had left Darwin,” said Red, “and were flying across the Australian desert headed for Cloncurry. We had umpty-ump rank aboard, about Sixteen in all—General Royce, General Perrin, General Marquat, and some Australians—Air Marshals they probably were—and also Lyndon Johnson, a big lanky guy from Texas, a real Congressman, only now he was out inspecting this area as a Navy Lieutenant Commander.

“Well, we’re flying along over this wilderness which looks like the rumpled parts of New Mexico or Arizona, heading, we think, for this Cloncurry, only our arrival time goes by, and no Cloncurry. <snip> (p 263)

“. . . and in about a minute there was quite a bump, but still it was a perfect three-point landing. In four seconds the Major had her rolling smooth. The ground was soft. Twenty-five tons is a lot of bomber, and her wheels began to sink in about six inches. But the Major could sense this, so he gave gas to all four engines to keep her rolling, and taxied her up to high ground hard enough to hold her up.

“We get out. Pretty soon Australian ranchers begin crawling out of holes in the ground—I don’t know where else they came from—and right away Lieutenant Commander Johnson gets busy. He begins to get acquainted. They tell him where we are and some of them go off to get a truck to take us into town where we can telephone, and more keep coming, and Johnson is shaking hands all around, and he comes back and tells us these are real folks—the best damn folks in the world, except maybe the folks in his own Texas. Pretty soon he knows all their first names, and they’re telling him why there ought to be a high tariff on wool, and there’s no question he swung that county for Johnson before we left. He was in his element. I know he sure swung the Swoose crew. He can carry that precinct any day.”

“Listening to him made us all homesick,” said Frank, <snip> (pp. 266-267)

I wonder, did any of LBJ’s biographer’s get this bit?

Ed

I have never heard that before.

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World of Warcraft Wealth Survey.

<http://xsinthis.net/2011/11/report-world-of-warcraft-wealth-survey/>

Roland Dobbins

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And yet another beauty from APOD

The Butterfly Nebula from Hubble

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap111113.html

This site ( Astronomy Picture of the Day –

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html )

is well worth bookmarking, and is a hell of a lot better way to start the day than any of the media sites.

FYI – 🙂

Paul Gordon ( http://paulinhouston.blogspot.com/ )

"When faced with a problem you do not understand,

do any part of it you do understand; then look at it again."

(Robert A. Heinlein – "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress")

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Official and unofficial versions

View 701 Sunday, November 20, 2011

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The big flap today is that at UC Davis a bunch of protestors were pepper sprayed. The various on line photos show the campus police simply walking up to the kids and spraying them down; one commentator say the police were nonchalant and acted as if they were spraying insects.

Actually the story isn’t quite that simple. The students were blocking access to the area the officers had been sent to finish cleaning out camping stuff. One of the officers read the riot act – well, the section of the California code that they students were defying – and told them to disperse or move to another area where they were not blocking public access. When that got no response he produced a large can of pepper spray and read the code section again, said that if they did not disperse he would use the pepper spray, and when they responded with silence he methodically sprayed each one (presumably inspired by a desire to be seen to give equal treatment to each?).

Which raises an interesting topic for discussion. The students were not making threats of violence. They were not told they could not assemble, but they were ordered to do it somewhere else. One presumes that the police could have simply started arresting them. Is that what they should have done? Or would it have been acceptable had they used their batons to prod the students? Or –

At what point do the police have the right to remove people from blocking others’ access, and what means are acceptable for accomplishing that result? The law seems pretty clear, and the police complied with the requirement that the demonstrators be made aware that what they were doing was breaking the law, and which law they were violating. At that point what should they have done?

The chancellor of the campus says

"During the early afternoon hours and because of the request to take down the tents, many students decided to dismantle their tents, a decision for which we are very thankful. However, a group of students and noncampus affiliates decided to stay. The university police then came to dismantle the encampment. The events of this intervention have been videotaped and widely distributed. As indicated in various videos, the police used pepper spray against the students who were blocking the way. The use of pepper spray as shown on the video is chilling to us all and raises many questions about how best to handle situations like this." http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/11/uc-davis-police-defend-use-of-pepper-spray-on-protesters.html

It’s not what I would have done had I been in charge because I have not enough information on the effects of pepper spray and possible allergies. The students certainly weren’t doing anything that required instant action or deadly force. On the other hand, the liklihood of someone being injured during a physical arrest is not zero either. The urgency of the police action can be questioned, but surely the Constitution does not give any random group of people the right to sit with locked arms in any public path they choose to occupy.

Would it have been better had the police simply dejnied access to the students by anyone else, and waited until the calls of nature did their work? Perhaps distribution of bottled water to hasten the process?

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I am reading SEAL Target Geronimo by Chuck Pfarrer, a retired Navy SEAL described as “assault element commander” of SEAL Team 6. I put it that way because oddly enough I have been unable to find his Navy retirement rank. A Special Ops spokesman, Colonel Tim Nye, says the book is completely untrue. Pfarrer claims his version of the raid is based on interviews with the people who were in on it. Colonel Nye says that the government version is true and Nye is making things up, and probably never talked to any of the team members. We can believe the official version.

There is apparently no question that Mr. Pfarrer is a former SEAL team commander, making him a former member of one of the most formidable outfits in the history of the world. He is honorably retired. He has directly contradicted the President’s version of the raid:

In SEAL Target Geronimo: The Inside Story of the Mission to Kill Osama bin Laden, Pfarrer, a former SEAL, offers an alternative version of the raid arguing the SEAL team shot bin Laden within 90 seconds of arriving at the Pakistan compound where the al-Qaida mastermind was holed up.

Pfarrer claims the White House issued a fictional and damaging account of the raid that made the SEALs look inept.  He says President Barack Obama’s speedy acknowledgement of the raid was a political move that rendered much of the intelligence gathered on the raid useless.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/navy-seals-controversial-book-not-true-261817

It makes for an interesting study. Of course nothing ever goes according to plan, but the official story does seem to make the SEALs look less competent than most of us think they are. More when I know more.

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I have just heard that a recent survey says

One in three college grads said that access to social media sites like Facebook and the ability to choose their own devices was more important to them than salary when considering a job offer. This according to a study of 2,800 college students and young professionals worldwide conducted by Cisco. More than 40% went so far as to say that they would accept less money for a job that was down with social media at work on a device of their choosing if it also included telework.

http://hothardware.com/News/College-Grads-Say-Salary-Is-Less-Important-than-FacebookFriendly-Work-Policies/

Words fail me.

 

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Don’t claim that water cures dehydration. You may go to jail.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/11/20/business-leaders-will-reportedly-face-jail-time-for-claiming-water-prevents/?test=latestnews

Fortunately that’s just in Britain now, but the FDA is watching…

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