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October 12 - 18, 1998

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Fair warning: some of those previous weeks can take a minute plus to download. After Mail 10, though, they're tamed down a bit.

IF YOU SEND MAIL it may be published; if you want it private SAY SO AT THE TOP of the mail. I try to respect confidences, but there is only me, and this is Chaos Manor.

PLEASE DO NOT USE DEEP INDENTATION IN MAIL!!!!!!!! I spent 20 minutes I don't have finding a "Cheers, XXX" that was indented way over and caused the Linux Page to have to be horizontally scrolled. PLEASE!!!

I try to answer mail, but mostly I can't get to all of it. I read it all, although not always the instant it comes in. I do have books to write too...  I am reminded of H. P. Lovecraft who slowly starved to death while answering fan mail. 

The NT Fonts Problem

The subscription question

Warlords III

Yugoslavia once again

Windows98 pages; fixed?

And a new Windows 98 installaton story

Outlook update Available

Link problems

Lots of Linux mail but see LINUX pages.

ZIP and other matters

A contrarian view of Linux

Am I too Hard on UNIX?

A new telephone scam? Warning anyway.

Balzac and coffee

A plea!

 

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Begin with this:

Here’s a random epic of computing.

My girlfriend knows nothing about computers. So I set her family up like 2 years ago with a Compaq, figuring it would be nice and trouble free. The system has had two hardware failures so far. The windows 95 installation that it was shipped with was extremely difficult to deal with. It installs all kinds of extra things with no way to remove or disable them. For example, in order to use the built-in modem, she had to run a program to disable the telephone device. Every time. Eventually, it got messed up, so I had to wipe it and put a new OSR2 install of Win95.

My brother knows quite a bit about computers. He decided to save money and build the computer himself. He got an Intel motherboard and recycled parts from older computers. It was DOA. So we spent many hours swapping parts out from his computer to mine. In the end, it turned out that the memory that he bought works fine on my DFI motherboard but does not work on his Intel motherboard. Took quite a few hours to figure that out.

Me? Well, I took the easy route. I went around, decided what I wanted for a system. Then I figured out what a reasonable price was, took it to a local PC retailer ( Castle Computers - http://www.castlec.com/ ) and they built it for me. I’ve upgraded it from a P200MMX (which now belongs to my dad’s computer) to a PII/266 (which now belongs to my girlfriend’s new computer) and finally to a PII/300. I get the parts I want with somebody there to make everything work right. And because it’s a smaller place that’s 15 minutes away, there is the expectation of personal service. You just need to find the right place.

Of course, the problem is my friends who want to get a computer at Best Buy or another such store. I’m staying away from Packard Bell computers (had one, total trash, though I hear they’ve gotten better). I’m staying away from Compaq consumer computers. Do any of the major brand manufacturers actually manufacture with the ATX form factor and a reasonable Windows installation anymore?

Also, to ensure that terms are not used improperly, I would like to correct a message in Mail #11. MOD format files are not, in fact, a compressed file at all. It is much more complicated than that. A MOD file is a cross between a MIDI file and a WAV file. It includes the instrument values (like MIDI) and also what instrument is associated with those values (unlike MIDI).

I miss Byte quite a bit. I got a big boost when Internet World went under and we started getting Byte again. And then the downer when Byte got canceled. All of the really good (in my mind) publications are gone. Somebody needs to start a magazine called "Longword" (there’s nibble, byte, so maybe longword would be the next good title.. :) ) I’m debating about the whole BugNet thing, because BugNet’s not the same as Byte. And the new Byte isn’t the same as Byte.

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\ \ \ \ \ / | Ken "Wirehead" Wronkiewicz - mailto:wh@wirewd.com \ \ \ \ \/ | [insert list of about 200 hobbies &; interests here]

\_\ \_\ | http://www.wirewd.com/wh/

There have been several fixes to the telephone problem, but OSR2 is the most definitive. As to Compaq consumer computers, my only experience is with the one at our church: it has done miracles in the year or more we have had it. Of course it has had the attention not only of myself but Barry Workman, but the only real problems we had was when the secretary upgraded to Windows 98. She reports that it ran faster, but it soon began to eat Word Perfect files, and eventually she had to scrub down to bare wood and reinstall Windows 95, then reinstall all the applications. She uses the Word Perfect suite because it has a booklet publisher built in, while Office does not.

We also had to buy Office because she wanted to move to OUTLOOK for schedules and such (which can get extremely complex in an institution that has schools and colleges attached as well as a parish church), and OUTLOOK really gets unhappy if it can't find WORD. Unfortunately so do many other PDA programs.

Thanks for the correction on MOD files.

I don't know what the best off the shelf low cost hardware is just now: I've been experimenting with buying parts and building my own, and I'll continue that for a while as something between a hobby and the foundation of a book. I make no doubt that when the new book contract comes through we'll look at a bunch of both Intel and non-Intel "good enough" low cost systems. Stay tuned. One feature of the book will be a set of recommended systems for different kinds of installations: that is, "on the cheap", "pretty good", and "when price is not a problem," that latter being largely for those who want to stay out at the bleeding edge but don't want to be experimental about it.

 

I have not seen the "new BYTE" at all. I had a paid subscription to BYTE so you would think I'd get one if it's out, but yours is the first news I have had that there IS a "new BYTE".

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Steven J. Dunn [sdunn@logicon.com]

From reading _Grumbles From The Grave_ I realize that this kind of thing comes under the heading of "timewaster," so I’ll be brief.

In _Footfall_ you (and Niven) give a detailed description of the destructive effect of a large asteroid hit. I need to do something similar, so I need to ask, where did you get that, or who did you get to figure it out for you? I’ve found a couple of nuclear blast effects calculation programs on the web, but they top out at 100 MT—this is of course a lot bigger (did you know that if the British Interplanetary Society’s Daedalus probe were to impact at 0.12c, the blast would be 75 gigatons?

Thanks in advance for any help you can give.

Steve

There are dozens of books on cosmological disasters, and others on nuclear weapons including the classic THE EFFECTS OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS. Years ago Richardson did a good article on meteor impacts in Analog; yhou might try to find that.

My advice is if you 'need to do something similar' you spend the first part of your time learning to do research; learning how to find these things out is more important than the actual information.

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David Cefai [davcefai@keyworld.net]

Dear Jerry,

This may help with your NT Server fonts problem.

From Microsoft Technet:

PSS ID Number: Q137134

Article last modified on 09-21-1995

 

3.51

WINDOWS

The information in this article applies to:

Microsoft Windows NT Workstation version 3.51

Microsoft Windows NT Server version 3.51

 

 

SYMPTOMS

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When you run applications under Windows NT 3.51, buttons, fonts, and text in dialog boxes is misplaced or clipped by another control or the dialog frame. The same executable file works correctly under Windows NT version 3.5.

This problem has been reproduced on applications compiled with Visual C/C++ version 2.1 and 2.2. The problem is independent of video hardware, video drivers, screen resolution, or computer type.

WORKAROUND

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You may be able to workaround the problem by using the large system font:

1. Run Control Panel.

2. Choose Display.

3. In the Font Size list box choose Large Fonts.

4. Choose OK.

 

STATUS

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Microsoft has confirmed this to be a problem in Windows NT version 3.51. We are researching this problem and will post new information here in the Microsoft Knowledge Base as it becomes available.

KBCategory: kbui kbbug3.51

KBSubCategory: ntui

Additional reference words: 3.51 prodnt button

Copyright Microsoft Corporation 1995.

We're running Server 4 with service pack 3, but I'll try it. I'll try anything. (Actually I think I already tried that, but perhaps I didn't.) Thanks. It's sure mysterious.

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Peter Golden [pgolden1@nycap.rr.com]

Dear Jerry: I have shared your frustration with devices that screw up

your computer, but there is one thing you can try before reformatting, which in my mind is a lot shooting yourself to get rid of a migraine, a failproof solution, of course, but a bit drastic. On the Win95 CD is something called ERu, emergency recovery utility. Install it on your computer and get your system up and going. Then before you do anthing fancy, click on the eru utility and make an eru floppy. When you run into trouble, put the floopy in the a: drive and reboot and your system may well be back to normal and you can try things again. I can’t tell you how many times one of these tech support morons has suggested that I reformat and the eru disk has saved me from another computer migraine. I guess you’re finding out what a pain it is when you’re not getting paid to get into trouble. I hope this helps. For years your column has helped, and I wish you were writing it again.

Best,

Peter Golden

This is another one out of my past archives that I thought should be posted. Good advice.

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Jim Lee [jimlee@hankins.com]

Hello again,

Password for paying folks is GREAT idea.

Next step, make password expire 1 year from donation/subscription, then send notices that "your password will expire at the end of xxMONTHxx, xxYEARxx.

Hopefully there is some type of scheduler that can do this automatically (send notices and cancel passwords).

Then

At some point in the future, start cutting back on your many posts to the web page day book and start sending them out to the paid list instead. 1 to 5 e-mails a day (more or less) from you would be a real perk for the paying folks and non-payers would need to be satisfied with the "backissue" numbered pages that you have now. Also, you can put PAID ADVERTISEMENTS (gotta go wash my mouth out with soap!) on the "free" web pages. Membership on mail list will expire at end of year as well.

Lastly (at this time), put another web page for "BENEFITS OF BEING A PAYING MEMBER". Not many now but list will grow.

Best wishes to ALL,

Jim Lee

I suppose it wouldn't be any harder to mail to a subscription list as to post things, but it would mean subscribers would be getting a lot of mail. As to paid advertisements, the problem with those is someone has to sell them, and I sure haven't time to do that. I'm getting to the point of scheduling trips downstairs. Sigh.

The truth is there's too much to do, which beats the alternative, but still…

There ought to be a way to reward subscribers, but I am not sure what it should be.

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Jon Dowell [jdowell@pdq.net]

I just (re-) read your section on games, and thought I’d offer up one of my favorites for your consideration: Warlords 3. It’s a true strategic game, and it’s turn based (no need to chase my units around!). A demo of the current version can be had at www.warlords3.com . Fair warning: it’s addictive.

-Jon Dowell

Agreed. Warlords III was Game of the Month some time ago. I really need to collect all my Books of the Month and Games of the Month into one place on this page. A project for when I get the flu (as I always do, but with flu shots I get the mild kind, the one that merely leaves you feeling filleted). Anyway, I find Warlords I, II, and III interesting games and still fun.

Actually this next belong over in the Linux pages, so I will put it there.

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Joseph Felcman [jfelcman@ozemail.com.au]

Jerry,

As before, president Milosevic seems to listen to the only language he understands - power. NATO had to deliver a credible threat. Should the resolve of NATO and the international community weaken - Milosevic’s behavior will resume its almost boringly predictable pattern.

This could appear to be stating the obvious but your expressionistic diatribe demonstrates that it is not. While I am not qualified to comment on most of it, there is one part I am more familiar with and you happen to be quite mistaken there. I suppose you do better in the rest of it.

Regards

jf

I don't know what an expressionistic diatribe is. Nor do I understand your point. It is certain that the United States can, with or without nuclear weapons, put Yugosloavia back into the early Iron Age and kill off most of its population. Somewhere between now and then they will cease to have the ability to persecute Albanians. Of course the Albanians will then join with their Bosnian neighbors to practice ethnic cleansing on the Serbs if history gives us any indications; but perhaps we can weaken the Serbs just enough? But in fact if we really want to impose peace, we need to occupy the area. I suspect most of those who want to send 'air strikes' know this, but they aren't about to say so; no one wants to run for office on THAT platform.

My real question, which you don't seem to address or be aware of, is what does this have to do with the national interest of the United States? If our goal is to create a World Empire, then we ought to be looking at those who could oppose that plan. If it is merely the old Roman policy "to protect the weak and make humble the proud" we can find quite a few more weak to protect and proud to humble, many of them closer to home than the cradle of the blood feud.

Our last attempt to settle blood feuds was in Somalia, with, let us say, a bit less than overwhelming success although the terrain was a great deal more favorable. We have also attempted to protect the Kurds, with perhaps negative and certainly few positive results; and since their plight is in part our fault (as opposed to Yugoslavia where so far as I know we have not contributed to a known 2500 years of ethnic strife and turmoil) perhaps if we are to exert the Power Of The Empire it ought to be in aid of people our past efforts have harmed? That is assuming a moral basis for breaking things and killing people. If we are merely doing it for expediency and reasons of state, again, I can think of places where our intervention would be a great deal more profitable.

I am quite willing to listen to arguments on why we should intervene in Kosovo, but so far the only ones I have heard have been the old woman's argument: those Slavs are being beastly! Why so they are, and so are the Chinese to the Tibetans, and I could name a dozen more places, in some of which we have far more influence than we do in the Balkans, where beastliness thrives. If our mission is to wipe out beastliness across the world I think we ought at least to have a national debate before we begin breaking things and killing people in the name of forcing them to stop being beastly.

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Rez [rividh@earthlink.net]

Since you make various remarks about the legibility of your site, I am pleased to tell you that it is all quite legible at 640x480x256 on a 15" monitor (wanna trade? :) except for the Win98 page which makes me scroll back &; forth a huge distance for each line, but you did warn us up front that this page was all messed up :)

~REZ~

Thanks for reminding me. I just had a look at those pages, and I think I fixed them too. They are a bit behind with my experiences, and perhaps one of them ought to be put up to date and the others put out of their misery. I'll try updating with new stuff when I build the new Win 98 box. Meanwhile they may be a bit tamer now although they're still a bit odd. It was those pages that led me to my 'new model system' that I use now.

 

Peter L. Briggs, Principal, Briggs' Associates [pbriggs@hdinet.com]

Jerry:

Microsoft has posted a solution to the problem of mapping flat files to Outlook 98 Named Fields on import. The solution is at:

http://officeupdate.microsoft.com/downloadDetails/field98.htm

 

Regards.........................Peter

 

There is a new Windows 98 installation story on the Win 98 page.

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On page http://www.jerrypournelle.com/view/view19.html, just above the divider between the header boilerplate and the day journal text are a row of links:

Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, ...

The link for the Monday hotspot points to http://www.jerrypournelle.com/view/view18.html#Monday (last week) instead of to view19.html#Monday. Same for each of the other days... I’ve found those links quite helpful to jump down to the new text for a particular week.

Mike Strube Internet: mstrube@ppco.com

I recalculated all my links yesterday (took about half and hour) apparently one of the things Front Page does is localize links from generalities. I suppose that makes sense. Maybe. Anyway, I've tried to generalize them again. I expect there are others like that here and there in the system. I'll try to collect all the broken links and fix them when I'm not trying to do something else; it's pretty mindless work. Anyway that ought to be fixed now.

 

 

 

Chuck Wingo [cwingo@atlcom.net]

Dear Jerry,

A quick thanks for the link to the James Hogan site, and his essay on the Velikovsky affair. As often happens, once there I followed the links and read the rest of his essays. I found two common threads running through them quite disturbing. First, of course, is the perversion of the scientific method. My wife and I home school our 11 year old son, and the two themes I drum into him during all his science instruction are the scientific method and the need to constantly question assumptions. That "distinguished researchers" in so many branches of science have forgotten this and fallen prey to dogma is depressing beyond my ability to express.

The second thing that disturbed me was the constant mention of loss of funding, and the underlying assumption that you can’t do research without it. Who funded Einstein, Maxwell, or Mendelev? I’m not ignorant of how expensive it can be to experiment in some fields, physics especially. But experimentation is only one part of science. How much basic, essential science has been done with a chalkboard? I’m writing this letter with a machine that has more computing power than anything available to Bohr or Saulk or Hubble, and it seems that they did respectable work. The notion that a line of inquiry must be validated by approval from funding committees before it begins is as antithetical to real science as is the blind acceptance of any currently popular theory.

Again, thanks for the link, and for the chance to vent.

Chuck Wingo

 

All true. Of course as Bob Bussard says, the easy things got done earliest and science is getting harder. But, as you point out, we have better tools on our desks than the greatest had only a few years ago. I can actually get numerical solutions to the Einstein tensor now without having to solve the damned things (if I could do it at all, and I doubt I could reconstruct how anyway) right off the net. Supercomputers for all of us, if we only knew how to use them. As to Velikovsky I think he was off his head, but the way he was treated by a terrified scientific establishment speaks volumes about their ability to do real science. Me, if I were an astronomer, I would have been hoping Velikovsky was right. New data points mean new theories to discover. But that is not the way science works now.

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Most of the mail for the past few days has involved LINUX, so see Linux Adventure Part One and Part Two. Or ignore it if you're not interested in the frustrations of Linux.

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Roger Shorney [Roger_Shorney@mailsvr.hsc.missouri.edu]

Jerry;

Just finished reading the journals you have on your site. Great reading!! It took me a while to get caught up on all the news. I kinda like the format better than just the one monthly column. I enjoy finding that an expert in the field sometimes has as much trouble with computer stuff as I do (I am a pc support technician for a 110+ computers, switched ethernet TCP/IP network including Windows NT, Novell NetWare, and AIX/Unibol). We’ve had the AIX box (IBM’s version of UNIX) running for about 5 years now, and except for one or two hardware upgrades, have had VERY little down time/trouble with it. Once you get it up and running and stable, it works fine, lasts long time. The only problems we have with the Win95 users are the ones who think that they are super users, and know "all about" computers because they use one. (After all, "user" is a four-letter-word.) We are running Win95 b on all of our desktops. We are also using Lotus cc:Mail (I don’t like) and in the process of starting to switch to Outlook98. I think the trick there is getting all the server, etc. names correct the very first time you install OL98, as I haven’t found a way to go back and correct a mistake yet. (What can be used to edit a USER.DAT file???)

In reference to your problems with the ZIP drive, I have one at home that I love and have not had problem one with. My home pc started as a Compaq Presario 4160 with a 133 MHz Intel chip, 24 MB of RAM, a 2.1 GB hard drive, a 16 x CD ROM drive, and a 33.6 internal modem. I have since upgraded to a 150 MHz Intel chip, 72 MB of RAM, and a 56k external modem (lightning fried the internal and rather than take the machine to a repair depot and wait a week for a warranty repair, I got and overnight UPS shipment of an external Practical Peripherals). I also added a 4.1 GB as the primary drive, shifting the 2.1 GB to a secondary status. That’s gives C and D for hard drives, and E for the CD ROM drive, and F for the ZIP drive. Which works just fine for me (no home network - that’s next). I use the Zip for Quicken backups, as well as all my other data files, genealogy file backups, and downloaded files backups. I found that it doesn’t matter if the disk is in the drive when I boot or not. Maybe I don’t have any problems because it is my highest drive letter.

Lastly, how do I subscribe to your column??? Is it as simple as sending you $10?? Is that for 1 year or forever??

Roger Shorney

also at:

rogers@sofnet.com

Important things first: to subscribe, send me ten bucks (or more if you think it is worth more). That's for a year and I promise not one darned thing other than to add you to a list of people who paid and send by email something or another at periodic intervals. That latest is (real soon now, like maybe this weekend) a "priority" mail code word that gets your mail at the top of the queue for being read and responded to. You can send cash, check, or any other instrument of conveyance, but for the moment we haven't set up a credit card system. Real Soon Now. For more details, like where to send money, click here.

It is only with the internal IDE Zip Drive that I have the problem that if there is a cartridge in the drive on boot up (under Windows 95b OSR2) it displaces the D: drive. That may well have to do with Master/Slave arrangements; I have to experiment. Since it's only a problem with a cartridge mounted, and it automatically ejects on shutdown, this isn't as bad a problem as it might be. I do have the problem that if there is no cartridge in the drive on startup Norton Disk Doctor (if it has to run say after improper shutdown) goes mildly whacko, but again that is an annoyance not a fatal problem. I have never had a problem with a SCSI or Parallel Zip Drive. Only IDE.

Thanks for the data.

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Detjen, Mike [mike.detjen@intel.com]Jerry,

I have one problem with your writing (of fiction):

Now that you are past that grabber line, here it is: You cannot write books as fast as I can read them. I have to reread the old ones to get my "fix". I was very pleased to see that "Burning City" has been sold and that we’ll get to see it.

Regarding the Linux adventure:

At my company we used to use Unix based servers. We now use all MS NT 4.0 servers because...it took 2 weeks to bring up a unix server and needed lots of experts on tap. It takes 2 hours to do the same thing with an NT server and needs one "familiar" person - no experts needed. If one of those unix servers were to crash (they did - don’t anyone kid themselves about how bulletproof they are) then it was a major thrash to get it going again.

We use XWindows for operating some of our process tools ONLY. This is because that’s the way they came to us from the vendor. We absolutely do NOT install it by choice. Reason: We need to get things DONE and don’t have time to fool around with hobby systems - in that you might have hit the nail right on the head. We also don’t have the money to throw around on an army of witch doctors who can deal with unix.

From a purely selfish point of view I guess the time you spend fooling with Linux might be time not feeding my addiction to your fiction! You gotta do what you gotta do, though.

Regards,

Mike

Thanks for the kind words. I haven't made up my mind about the Linux system but thanks for a contrarian view! Best regards,

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And the opposite:

Dear Jerry

As a long time reader of Byte and of your columns I would be happy to subscribe towards the cost of running a Chaos Manor website, _if_ some straight forward way of paying the subscription can be organised. I expect that a cheque for UKP 6 would cost nearly $10 to clear; in the interim I have found six dollar bills lying around and will send them as an earnest of good intentions.

With respect to your Linux problems:

  • We have been playing around with different Linux systems to supplement our Solaris and NT systems at work. My feeling is that Caldera OpenLinux is rather easier to install and configure than the Red Hat system, although both have their quirks; in particular, Caldera provide a very useful range of device configuration data in HTML FAQ format.
  • You have probably gathered that the kernel supplied for intial installation contains only a basic set of facilities and needs to be rebuilt to provide access to sound and interface cards. The current kernel source covers quite a variety of options; "Running Linux" from O’Reilly provides very good guide to building a kernel, as well as other installation, configuration and system management topics.
  • The Linux Gazette at www.linuxgazette.com is a good source of information on handling Linux problems. Possibly it could act as a pattern for a renascent Byte?
  • Re: ease of use, it has been said that "Unix is an user friendly; but it is rather picky about its friends".

 

In summary, having spent much of last week trying to pull together a document in Word 7 on from various sources, I find it a relief to revert from Windows NT to Linux. With all its peculiarities I have not had the problem of a word processor crashing repeatedly while editing a document and locking the system, sometimes requiring a hardware reset.

Regards

Peter Morgan

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Peter D Morgan

Well House Tel: +44 (0) 1794 301418

Queenwood Road Email: ptrmrgn@ibm.net

Broughton

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Gosh. I haven't had Word 7 in NT crash in so long I can't remember, and I routinely use it to assemble all the mail, keep lots of windows open, and generally abuse the system. Thanks for the data points.

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Dear Jerry,

This should be reasonably clean ASCII coming out of an obsolete

VAX-based e-mail system. If not, my apologies. I could not figure out how to

get the new Lotus Notes based system to even admit there is a world out there

beyond the firewall. In any case an e-mail message to

Valdis.A.Augstkalns@usa.dupont.com will come back in thru the firewall quite nicely. The snail mail with check should make it out to LA in two weeks. My father-in-law in Taos usually gets his snailmail within 12 days.

My impression is that BYTE lost its direction about three or four years ago and was floundering downhill quite dramatically for the past two. The only sure reason to renew a sub was your column and the occasional happy surprise from one of the other good guys. Common sense about computers is so hard to come by these days when flacks are evrywhere ascendant. I go back to the days of the yellow cover IBM Fortran manuals, PUNCH TAPE instructions, and the early days of miniaturization when one on-off switch was shrunk to the size of a pack of Pall Mall 100s. Even with that perspective I sometimes despair at the idiocies that pass for computer savvy. You and your cohorts remain one of the centers of sanity on computers and computer use on the face of the planet. Good luck for the future.

VALDIS A. AUGSTKALNS 863-2627 [Valdis.A.Augstkalns-1@usa.dupont.com]

Worked just fine. Thanks for the kind words. I thought BYTE had a good level with spurts of real brilliance: Udell on the Net, Thompson on the Mac, Halfhill on anything he wanted to write about. The good parts were so good that the rest looked drab sometimes compared to the flash powder and whizbangs in Wired and some of the other magazines. We never could convince the ad agencies that we had an influential readership. Ah well.

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Erich Schwarz [schwarz@cubsps.bio.columbia.edu]

Dr. Pournelle,

It sounds like you’re already getting good advice about the Applixware stuff. If Corel Wordperfect is designed to run with the newer glibc library, then presumably you should be spared the Applixware problems when you try that.

Some thoughts about what to do:

If you’re truly, absolutely, mortally fed up, forget this and wait for Mac OS X. It’s my understanding that OS X is an professional attempt to *actually* put the Mac OS user interface on top of a derivative of BSD Unix, which actually should allow users to really have a lot of the best of both worlds. Recently, I deliberately refrained from buying a now-cheap 68040 PPC chip system, instead buying a more pricey G3 system, precisely to allow myself to upgrade to OS X when it’s available.

If you’re willing to give things another try, here are some suggestions:

1. Have a visiting friend who’s already done this stuff walk you through it once. It is far, far easier to learn complex new techniques by being *shown* how to do them, on the equipment you are going to use, by somebody who already has the technique down cold. After you’ve been shown the thing once, manuals and man pages make far more sense.

2. If you want to read a README in your current working directory, try simply "more README". That *should* work unless something is very wrong. Which leads me to point three.

3. To spare yourself more frustration of not being able to simply *read* a README, and other hideous show-stoppers, plonk down a minimal amount of money for a minimal amount of books without waiting to be sent reviewer’s copies. The two books I’d suggest are _Learning the UNIX Operating System, 4th Edition_, and _Running Linux_, 2cd. ed., both from O’Reilly.

 

Their total list price on Amazon books is $32.72. That’s the price of three Zip disks, or of one very modest night out on the town for one person, or of 1.5 hardcover Niven/Pournelle books. In other words, not a lot of money for a lot of useful information. If you must pick only *one*, the _Running Linux_ book has been recommended by more people than just me, but I’d seriously consider both because the _Learning_ book is *exactly* the sort of instructions you’ve been complaining about not having—it is very concise and very easy to skim.

So much for that. A more general thought:

Linux is indeed frustrating to learn. It seems to me, though, that in addition to your valid complaints, there’s a bit of intemperate criticism you’re making.

The valid complaint is that Linux has absolutely nothing resembling the easy desktop interface that Mac OS has had for a decade and that Windows acquired in ‘95. And this is a point that Linus Torvalds, the founder of Linux, recently alluded to [1] -- if Linux doesn’t face the challenge of the individual user desktop, it’s going to have a brief vogue and then subside as past Unixes did. In that perception, you are in the best possible company.

But I think you’re off in some of your other complaints— specifically, the complaint that the language is UNIX is *deliberately* obtuse, perhaps for nefarious self-seeking motives.

I once took a course in physical biochemistry at an Ivy League college taught by one of the leading X-ray crystallographers in the world. This scientist had gone out of his way to be kind to me as a freshman and help me get a first job in biology (back when I needed experience to get a job, but couldn’t get a job because I had no experience) -- so I know personally that he was both brilliant and kind, a rare mix. And it was obvious, taking his course, that he was really passionate about physical biochemistry, and wanted to teach it to everybody.

Nevertheless, he was fantastically opaque. I couldn’t follow him. And I already understood part of the field!

I mulled this over, and decided that it wasn’t deliberate. It was just that he was very, very good, and had been that way for many years. He’d been that way so long that he’d totally forgotten the idiot’s-eye view of physical biochemistry. That is to say, he’d forgotten the undergraduate’s-eye view.

And, thus, this professor simply couldn’t scrunch his mind down into an elementary enough perspective to *teach* newcomers effectively. It was very frustrating, and it was a real teaching problem—but no fraud or malice was involved.

Now, about the hint in some of your writings that UNIX is made deliberately obtuse for, perhaps, unmerited job security. I’ve already addressed the merits of UNIX in an earlier e-mail. Strong objective evidence exists that UNIX is in fact a far more robust system, far more capable of doing serious *industrial* jobs in the private or research sectors, than any other OS going. I’m still waiting to hear Microsoft explain why they’re not using NT to run their own Hotmail server, for instance.

The idea that UNIX is simply a bogus OS doesn’t stand up.

UNIX’s a genuinely powerful OS that Microsoft has yet to match. Obviously all those obtuse UNIX wizards have managed to achieve something.

More generally, it’s not at all obvious that other tools made in the UNIX tradition have serious non-UNIX rivals, either. Imagine the Internet without Apache, Perl, Majordomo, sendmail, BIND, and INN. It’d implode. And all six of those software packages, on which most of the Net runs, are free software written by UNIX-style wizards.

Enough with the rhetoric about evil UNIX wizards being deliberately obtuse and liking confusion. The fact is that there is no villain here, and no one right side. You’re completely right to complain that the Linux user interface isn’t at all ready for common use by sane humans who have normal work to get done. And if the Linux community has any sense, it’ll try to come up with an appropriate interface to spare you the crud you’ve been enduring. Specifically, Oracle, which may be about to announce its support for one or more Linux distributions [2], might be well-poised to address the issues you’ve raised.

On the other hand, it is simply not true that UNIX programmers can be obtuse for no other reasons than stupidity or malice. It really is possible to be so advanced that you lose the ability to make things clear to beginners. I’ve seen it, and, if you think about, probably you have too. Rutherford’s dictum that one should be able to explain one’s work to a barmaid is a fine ideal, but it’s also something of a counsel of perfection. There are *many* very good biologists who never try to explain their work to laymen. This isn’t something to be happy about, but it doesn’t automatically make them frauds, either. There is a place in any serious technical discipline for people who practice that discipline because they *like* being in an elite mental environment, and to pretend otherwise is to overlook the complexity of human nature.

So, please, stop vilifying UNIX programmers. They really have done good work and, by many objective criteria of achievement, they really *are* the best programmers around. Unfortunately, being an ueber-programmer doesn’t (automatically) equate being a good interface designer—and that shows in Linux. But it doesn’t have to stay that way. If Oracle really does start distributing Linux, and somebody at Oracle pays attention to the many flaws you’ve described, substantive good might be achieved for everybody. One can hope so, anyway.

  • Erich Schwarz, Ph.D., Caltech ‘96

 

 

[1] http://www.computerworld.com/home/features.nsf/all/980817linus

 

[2] http://webserv.vnu.co.uk/www_user/plsql/pkg_vnu_msn.homepage?p_story=65174

 

Well, I know that most UNIX people are not obtuse from choice; but given the deliberate vituperation many of them pour out on "Windoze" and everyone who uses anything but UNIX, surely I can have a bit of fun at their expense? I mean, I've been at this one for 20 years and more. But it is also the case that many of those who possess a jargon think that making it a bit easier for outsiders is 'dumbing down' and perhaps from their viewpoint it is. Look at all the UNIX people condemning Microsoft and shouting how great it is to have 'an alternative.'

For myself I am merely reporting as things happen. I am sure there are good reasons for all the problems I have found. I am also sure that there will be NO widespread use of LINUX or any other form of UNIX until it is made a bit simpler to DO THINGS with it. Now perhaps it can be so set up: but only by an expert, and that's the problem.

What I am doing is conveying the essence of a problem. I can solve my own problem: there are plenty of real experts out there who give me their time, and believe me I am grateful; but me plus a bunch of experts is not the same as some doctor, or chemist, or shoe maker, or insurance agent, who has heard about the awful Microsoft Conspiracy and wants 'an alternative' trying to do something useful with this.

I used to quip that no one deep in his heart wanted to egrep. That was a joke. But learning the UNIX command structure, while quite possibly worth it, is a job that will require a significant time investment. I may or may not make that investment, but surely it is my duty to show just what happens to people who try this without that investment?

And I have the O'Reilly books. Formidable.

Stay well,

Jerry

(See my LINUX pages: Two (1   2) on advice from readers, one on queries I have had, and one a sort of log of my experiences.)

 

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Following is posted AS RECEIVED:

Andrew Grosland [agrosland@yahoo.com]

Sorry Mr. Pournelle, I was a bit rushed.

Here’s the text of the original message, as it came to me:::

> FOR YOUR INFORMATION......SEE THE MESSAGE BELOW

>I received a telephone call today from an individual identifying himself

> as an AT&;T Service Technician who was conducting a test on our

> telephone lines.

> He stated that to complete the test I should touch nine (9),zero

> (0), the pound sign (#) and then hang up.

> Luckily, I was suspicious and refused.

> Upon contacting the telephone company, I was informed that by

> pushing 90#, you give the requesting individual full access to

> your telephone line,

> which allows them to place long distance telephone calls billed to

> your home phone number.

> I was further informed that this scam has been

> originating from many of the local jails/prisons.

> I have also verified this information with UCB telecomm

> Pacific Bell, MCI, Bell Atlantic, GTE and NYNEX.

> Please beware. DO NOT press 90# for ANYONE. The GTE Security

> Department requested that I share this information with

> EVERYONE I KNOW.

> PLEASE pass this on to everyone YOU know.

> If you have mailing listsand/or newsletters from organizations

> you are connected with, I encourage you to

> pass on this information to them, too.

 

An AT&;T friend of mine verified the above scam to be true!!!

 

John

Andy G.

agroz@the-bridge.net

 

agrosland@yahoo.com

NOTE by JEP: I pass this along as I received it. I have NOT verified any of the information here. On the other hand, I am certainly not going to punch codes into my phone just because strange voices ask me to.

===

No comment needed. I mentioned Balzac and coffee in VIEW:

Isn’t the web wonderful? It took me a measured 1 minute and 12 seconds to find this cite from the Sacramento Bee:

http://secure.northernlight.com/cgi-bin/pdserv?cbrecid=BM19980721010070779&;c

 

b=0#doc

"When the French writer Honore de Balzac died of caffeine poisoning in 1850 at the age of 51 -- he was said to have consumed on the order of four dozen cups of coffee a day—he had produced more than 100 major works, predominantly novels, all in 21 years. ..."

For all the bitching we all do about crashes, slow web connections, etc., finding this information would have taken me a couple orders of magnitude longer just a few years ago.

Bob

Robert Bruce Thompson

thompson@ttgnet.com

http://www.ttgnet.com

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Scott Kitterman [kitterma@erols.com]

Some time ago you posted a message in mail that mentioned Front Page being acquired by Microsoft, rather than built from the ground up. There is an interesting article in today’s Washington Post which talks about that and give some decent insight into the corporate culture at Microsoft.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1998-10/18/212l-101898-idx.html

 

Scott Kitterman

Extremely interesting. One of the best articles on this I have seen in a long time. I highly recommend it. Thanks for telling me about it

 

 

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