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Monday  July 21, 2003

Begin with yesterday, and why it was or may have been a Black Letter Day despite being the anniversary of Apollo. We also had Puppy Pictures

Subject: The changing nature of work

I don't know if you have access to the Online Wall Street Journal -- well worth the expense, in my opinion -- but if you do this might be of interest to you.

http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,
SB105874846888793500,00.html?mod
=home%5Fpage%5Fone%5Fus
 

===== Tiomoid M. of Angle JD MBA 

Well I get the paper copy, and they make it a good bit of work to do the on-line subscription; more than I care to go through. They don't need to know that much about me.

I agree that the article is interesting, assuming that the one you reference is the front page right hand column for this morning. Despite all the protestations, the fact remains: we are losing our industrial base and are becoming a nation of importers, with a deficit balance of trade. And while the economists continue to tell us this is nothing to worry about, history shows that somehow the "exceptions" and "externalities" have always negated the theories. Free Trade has been a great theoretical success, but it doesn't seem to have been such a practical wonder for those who keep at it over the long term. Perhaps This Time For Sure, though.

My concern is over the effect of making a large part of our citizenry into redundant scrounges when they were formerly valued citizens believing themselves to be part of the middle class. Now they know better; but they still have the vote. And there is no lack of those who will organize discontent, and find someone to blame for the problems of people who believe in a fair day's work for a fair day's pay and who, through absolutely no fault of their own, find themselves dependent when they were once under the illusion that they were independent.

Very few in this country are more than a few paychecks from disaster. No one OWNS anything lucrative now. It's not as if you could cut back and run your candy store or dry good store or Mom and Pop grocery and eke out an existence in hard times building good will with your neighbors and doing a good bit of your business off the books. Those days are gone with Walmart and the government's use of computers and various forms of welfare. In California you can get, free, a wheelchair costing about $38,500, but only if you are a pauper. 

Now being a pauper is no fun, but pauperism with the right government benefits is a lot more desirable than minimum wage. The result of that kind of thinking, plus extending benefits to anyone who manages to get into the State, may have something to do with California's $38 billion deficit. I can recall when the US national budget was under $100 billion and that $100 billion was considered a ceiling no President dared break. Odd: you would have thought a Trillion would have been a barrier but by then no one noticed.

A great deal of this generosity was affordable so long as we had a solid base of manufacturing with blue collar workers paying a good part of the taxes, and thus having an incentive to keep the taxes lower. Taxation with representation can be onerous but there are some controls. But there are no limits to the taxes one is willing to vote provided that someone else will pay them: or more likely, that you can be convinced that someone else will pay them. To make it better you can then "cut" taxes for both those who pay them and those who do not, giving tax "rebates" to those who don't pay taxes to begin with. This makes for good politics, and becomes appealing to those who used to be middle class, and who know it was not their fault that they were suddenly dependent.

Of course all this requires a larger bureaucracy, some of which is used to organize the voting base of the discontented.

The benefit, though, is cheaper imported goods, and the import firms aren't paying the taxes required to support those whose jobs have been exported.

Welcome to the joys of Free Trade. But perhaps we can make it up with imperial conquests. If oil goes down to $19 / bbl we may get some speculative booms again, a rising Dow, good times. I know arguments against that, but cheap energy often does stimulate a boom -- but we don't seem to be able to get Iraqi oil production up to pre-war levels. 

But we keep trying, and perhaps this time for sure.

The next step is to hire soldiers to occupy Iraq and then to find ways to levy tribute on someone to pay for it all. The money has to come from somewhere, and we have good soldiers.

Gold will not get you good soldiers, but good soldiers can always get you gold.

And see mail.

 


The Adelphia Story:

Apparently I am not the only one. Adelphia Cable Modem works splendidly when it works, and it periodically == about once a day == just dies.

Adelphia tells me that when that happens I should reset the modem by unplugging it for about a minute. That should work except when it doesn't in which case try again in a few minutes.

Megapaths iDSL continues to work just fine, but the Hawking router has problems making the failover because the Adelphia system is unpredictable and will work for a few seconds, then die again. Some readers in other parts of the city who are stuck with the execrable Adelphia service tell me that this has been the way it works for the past year or so.

Of course the City Council for what seemed to it to be good reasons gave Adelphia a monopoly in my area. 

Story continues below


Subject: Fakeerr Worm - Destructive Payload

This worm looks like an Internet Explorer error message from Microsoft. It is particularly dangerous: if you you click on one of the buttons, it will start deleting vital system files. It doesn't appear to be widespread, but it is getting some media attention.

Information about this virus is here: http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_100489.htm  , among other places.

Of course, if you never open up mail attachments that are programs, and you keep your anti-virus up to date, you are safe.

Of course, if you never open up mail attachments that are programs, and you keep your anti-virus up to date, you are safe.

Of course, if you never open up mail attachments that are programs, and you keep your anti-virus up to date, you are safe.

...what I tell you three times is true.

Rick Hellewell digitalchoke@digitalchoke.com

Indeed.


From Rich Pournelle:

Now it is all starting to make sense. Kobe gets the seven year itch early. Wife is home with the kid and decides to get surgery in Colorado. Hears that he can find a young sure thing at a particular hotel and figures he can get away with it if he's traveling.

I stand by my prediction that this thing will never go to trial.

"A number of NBA players have said Bryant's accuser, a college student and former high-school cheerleader, is well known as a basketball groupie." http://www.msnbc.com/news/938249.asp 

Have we yet heard her side of the story at all? And see mail

Subject: The Praetorians deliberate . . .

http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp-dyn/articles/A25376-2003Jul21.html

Roland Dobbins

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Tuesday, July 27, 2003

Adelphia Cable Modem Watch: it's not working this morning. It worked briefly earlier but as of 11:45 AM it's dead here. The only response from Adelphia tech support is the advice to pull the plug on the modem for a minute and try again. This isn't helpful. More below.


The SEC is now investigating accounting practices for computer gaming companies. Clearly Washington is determined to bring any successful segment of the industry into submission, lest there be any freedom left anywhere.

A long time ago Possony and I pointed out that the tendency in all societies is to convert more and more of their output into structure until all is static and the parasites and rent takers and officials have stifled initiative. Every now and then there are technological breakthroughs that let society leap ahead of the regulators and structure makers, but after a while the structuralists catch up. 

Meanwhile, in California there are now bills passed by both houses of the legislature to allow trial lawyers even more opportunities to shake down any business successful or not; the disbarring of 3 or 4 lawyers has actually led to bills to stop, not the shakedowns, but defense against shakedown: to protect the lawyers and the Democrats have duly passed the bills. More structure, as businesses flee the state.

Why am I depressed this morning?


 

SCO has announced that they will be selling licenses to Linux users. They want you to license each Linux system you have.

The Free Software Foundation is likely to sue SCO over this.

Like the FSF, I contend that SCO's claims are completely without merit. SCO hasn't shown that Linux contains SCO intellectual property; they have shown a carefully staged demo to a few people who were willing to sign a draconian non-disclosure agreement. SCO hasn't had a court rule in their favor. And it's darn cheeky that SCO is just dictating terms to the whole world of Linux users -- even if a court agrees that SCO IP is in Linux, will a court uphold SCO's ability to demand licenses for the whole thing?

If there really is SCO IP in Linux, the Linux kernel guys will rip it out in a heartbeat and re-code the offending sections. But SCO's position is that they more or less own Linux now, as well as every OS derived from System V UNIX; so I presume that ripping out the offending IP would not satisfy SCO, and they will still want royalties. I'm not sure why they think they can get away with this.

Wall Street seems to be buying the SCO publicity. The SCO stock price is way up. I still think they are heading for a huge crash, but I can't predict exactly when.

My advice to Linux-using companies: don't pay a dime to SCO, unless a court rules you have to.

Oh, the frosting on the cake is this: according to the article, SCO is offering licenses for "run-time, binary use of Linux". One of the best things about Linux is that you have the source code. I don't think this means that SCO wants to deny the use of the source code -- I think they want users to buy *another* license if they want to do things with the code.

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,1200014,00.asp 

-- Steve R. Hastings "Vita est" steve@hastings.org http://www.blarg.net/~steveha

 

But then see:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/61/31889.html 

IS this the coming battle of the Titans?


And a reader recommends the Windows XP firewall. See mail.


An Important letter from Iraq, courtesy of Colonel Haynes. See Mail.

And this just in:

Saddam's sons dead: official

WASHINGTON (AFP) - The two sons of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites), Uday and Qusay, have been killed in a major US military raid in northern Iraq (news - web sites), US army Lieutenant General Ricardo Sanchez said.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=
/afp/20030722/wl
_mideast_afp/iraq_us_sons&cid=1514&ncid=1480
 

 

 

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Wednesday, July 23, 2003

The "meanest man in the world" is dead. There is some dancing in the streets.

My wife wonders about the dilemma: we condemned Al Jazeera for showing pictures of our dead soldiers on their TV net, but we want them to show Udai and Qusay as eadday. At least we are unlikely to have a morgue attendant grinning like a monkey while manipulating the corpses.


I read somewhere that we actually had detained Baghdad Bob for a few hours, then let him go as not worth keeping. I don't know if the story is true; he certainly never made the pack of cards. What do you do for a living after an act like that?

I still expect to see him on Jay Leno some night.


Adelphia Log: For most of yesterday the Adelphia Cable Modem simply didn't work. No blinks on the data line whether or not the "cable" light was on, and whether or not I "reset" the modem and router by powering them down. The Megapaths iDSL line worked perfectly all day.

This morning I had to do some big downloads. I reset both router and Adelphia Cable Modem, and Lo! the Adelphia Cable Modem system is working perfectly, at 2 GB.  Man when it works it really works well. I keep hoping there's some temporary reason why it keeps going out. Naturally I get no information from Adelphia: if I send in trouble reports they tell me to reset the modem.  Sigh.

A reader believes it may be the modem unit. I suppose I can try a new one.


And this just in:

The way this knitting circle is going, I don't see how the charges are ever going to stick. This whole thing started out in a strange way and is getting more and more ridiculous. The entire town of Eagle, CO seems to want to be famous.

http://msnbc.com/news/942322.asp?0cv=CB10&cp1=1  The alleged victim was at a party three days before the charges were filed and appeared to be in a good mood, NBC News reported, citing five party attendees. "She was bragging about it," party host Steve Evancho told NBC News. The victim described Bryant's anatomy when asked about it at the party, the host said.

Rich

After playing that video (when Cable Modem is working it's really neat) I find it very hard to believe that this will go to trial.

And yes, I know this is getting more space here than it deserves. I warned you this house was full of Laker fans, and we have friends in Laker management (including two of Fisher's biggest fans). I follow few professional sports but Roberta got me interested in NBA and the Lakers, and I find I like watching basketball games. Odd because I never could play the game: someone would throw me the ball, I would bounce it on the floor, someone else would shout "Double Dribble", and they'd take it away from me. But I didn't have much time in high school for sports anyway.

Also, Yesterday I started to put this up and decided not to, but since the story seems to have broken everywhere now:

Prom pictures, home phone number, how much her parents paid for their

house, etc.

http://www.binaryreport.com/ 

And on the radio yesterday it was reported that the young lady had previously accused two other men. It doesn't look to me as if this will get to trial.


For a change of pace and something you'll remember a bit longer than the Kobe story, see

http://www.city-journal.org/html/13_3_conservative_compassion.html 

Or go see the bit on Venture Capital in mail.

 

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Thursday, July 24, 2003

Beginning a discussion on Free Trade and job exports. See mail.

Over in another conference John McCarthy and I had an exchange I thought interesting enough to bring here. By permission:

Subject: [h-bd] Uday and Qusay

It seems to me that it would be much better to have them as prisoners than to have their bodies. It seemed to me that cutting off the utilities, keeping the place surrounded and not letting them sleep might have made them readily capturabable in less than a week.

However, I saw pictures of an anti-American demonstration near the house, and this made me suspect that killing them right away might have been the right thing to do. I suppose the house is in an Arabic speaking section of Mosul, perhaps a section where Saddam drove out the Kurds and replaced them by Arabic speakers, who are now in fear of having to move.

Maybe a prolonged siege would have incited a rescue attempt whose suppression would have required killing tens or even hundreds of Iraqi civilians.

Does this seem likely?

John McCarthy

I think it is one more instance of what happens when you use good soldiers as police: they don't do it well as police but they are also hampered from doing things as they would if it were a mere military operation.

My guess is it is precisely because they wanted to take them alive that it took four hours. Four minutes would have been enough if they didn't CARE.

I don't think that, at least initially, those in command thought through the implications of getting them alive. On the other hand, Klinghoffer was killed by a group trying to engineer the rescue of Israeli-held prisoners, so perhaps it was.

And in the same discussion, John Derbyshire posted this. I include it with permission. It should be obvious from the text that Mrs. Derbyshire is ethnically Chinese. Both Derbyshire's are American citizens. Derbyshire's book was my book of the month last month.

Re: Enter the dragon - The Observer - yellow stars of China

Just a glimpse into how things go in back-country China.

Yesterday evening we had a visit from a friend of my wife's, a Chinese woman in her early 30s, in this country 5-6 yrs. She comes from a small town in Hunan province--the Chinese equivalent of Peoria (not Dogpatch, though). Her husband is a researcher at Cold Spring Harbor lab. She herself is not well-educated--she was a nurse back in China. U.S. equivalent would be a Community College B.A.

Well, this lady had a tale of woe. Her brother back in Hunan wants to move from the town he lives in, to another town. To be sure of an equivalent job in the new place, this means persuading numerous bureaucrats to sign releases, permits, transfers, etc. etc. (He is a civilian employee of the provincial police department.) He has been conducting a campaign to effect this for TWO YEARS. His total expenditure on "presents" (which is to say, bribes) to the officials amounts to RMB50,000. This is 3-4 years of his entire salary, so he has been borrowing, and has spent all his savings. We have occasionally been pulled into this campaign--e.g. last year our friend asked us to recommend a camcorder she could send him--a valued "present" in these circumstances.

Alas, it all came to naught. I'm not clear why. Our friend alternated between cursing her brother for his incompetence (i.e. in not bribing the right officials, in the right order, with the right amounts--it's a fearsomely complicated process) and saying that someone else out-bribed him for the job he wanted. Her brother is now penniless, in debt, and exactly where he started. ("Presents" do not get returned...)

I am pretty inured to stories of this kind by now. What really struck me was the woman's attitude. SHE COULDN'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THE SYSTEM AT ALL. My wife, who is thoroughly Americanized, actually lost her temper. "Can't you see how corrupt and backward that system is? How is China ever going to get anywhere when we behave like that?..." Our friend accused Rosie of being unpatriotic (NB: Rosie is a US citizen, but the woman meant "anti-Chinese"). "We have always done things like that. It's our tradition. And do you really think America is so different? All those Congressmen and CEOs, they're all taking bribes..."

Two years' plotting and scheming. Your life savings, and then some. Just to move from one town to another. This is how the Chinese people spend their energy. You still want to talk about "development"?

[Note: You don't get too many stories like this--though you get SOME--from the highly-developed regions like Shanghai and Canton. But then, not many Chinese live in those places. It's a big country, and the edges are a long way from the middle.]

John Derbyshire olimu@optonline.net http://www.olimu.com

Why Kobe's Wife Is Smiling

..according to abcnews.com (here: http://www.funk.com/download.asp  , as reported in upcoming People magazine), Kobe's wife is smiling during the 'tearful' news conference because she got a $4 million ring from Kobe. The ring was commissioned two weeks before they purchased it, so she knew it was coming.

I think the whole thing is the fault of the 'stupid gene', which all guys have, but is usually under control.

Rick H. digitalchoke@digitalchoke.com

And on yet another topic, e-piracy, this exchange from the Science Fiction Writers of America discussion group:

> Copyright law say nothing to forbid someone from setting up a Universal
> Internet Library that buys say 100 copies of a new SF release (what we'd
> today call a 10,000 copy seller) and serve the entire reading needs of
> the planet with it.

OK, here's where the model falls apart.

If I'm HarperCollins or Bertlesmann, and you "buy" 100  "copies" then
you better show me that you've only got 100 copies "out there" at any
given moment.   Or then I sue your ass off for e-piracy.

Because reducto ad aburdum your example, why would they buy 100?  One
will do.

I don't care if they lend 100,000 copies out in a given day.  Or if
they lend 10,000 copies out ten times in a given period of time to ten
different people, or 1,000 copies a hundred times, etc. but no way they
are duping their own copies if you see my point.

That's GOT to be the rule-of-thumb if that works.  They pay a license
(like a software licence) then they act like a real library and when
copy number 100 "goes out" they tell anyone who logs in, "Sorry, but
you're on the waiting list and will get your copy when one is
'returned'."

Best, R.E.F. (Raymond Feist)

--
Never attribute to malice what can satisfactorily be
explained away by stupidity.

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Friday, July 25, 2003

Roland sends this:

http://www.nipc.gov/warnings/advisories/2003/Potential72403.htm 

I suggest you all read it.


Today's thoughts:

He was born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world was mad...

Subject: More SCO madness 

Seems the Whitehouse is running Linux too. THAT should be an interesting court battle :-)

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/61/31955.html 

John Priest Computer Ops Tech - Lead Mitre - Bedford 781-271-3379 jpriest @mitre.org

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." - Albert Einstein

"Those who give up essential liberty for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin

Does anyone have the feeling that we may have more lawyers than we really need?


Over in mail there is a thread on strategic planning, thinking ahead, and exporting jobs. I haven't said much there I haven't said before, but I do have some comments on the subject.


And some good news:

Subject: Houston residents indicted in Nigerian e-mail scam

 yeah!

now if they could only get the spammers

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/2011664

 Phil Stuntz


And some bad news.  I am no Salon fan, and I can't vouch for this, but:

They've got a little list... Now, the TSA says they don't actually generate the names on the list - they just compile them from other sources. Well, thats OK then. Just don't ask about who gets on the list or why. I'm sure they know what's best for us. - - - - - - - - - - - -

Grounding the flying nun By Dave Lindorff

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/07/25/no_fly/index.html 

Leander

Aaaarrrggghh. I knew it...


And I point you at this without comment:

http://www.fool.com/news/mft/2003/
mft03072505.htm?source=eptyholnk
303100&logvisit=y&npu=y&bounce=y&bounce2=y
 


Subject: From Russia: A unique solution for dealing with spam

A Russian government minister took the spam into his own hands. Oh, to have been a fly on that wall!

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2003/07/24/003.html 

-- John Bartley


Subject: The nature of the American folk

This raises some interesting ideas.

http://denbeste.nu/external/Mead01.html 

===== Tiomoid M. of Angle JD MBA


And I have just heard from lawyers representing Udai and Qusai, and they want to send me money! Wow!

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Sable doesn't like to be brushed, but Siberians shed enough hair to make two other dogs, so if she's going to get near the house or even the pool, she has to be brushed daily or more. So, since she hates that, she has done something about it. She has hidden the Teflon rake.

Now that thing is one solid chunk of metal coated in Teflon, nearly indestructible -- and it is simply gone. We can't find it. If she buried it she managed to conceal the spot. It's not under any furniture or bushes. I bought another, but I have to say her ingenuity is impressive.

 

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Saturday, July 26, 2003

I found Sable's comb. She had hidden it under a bush close to the Doggie Doolie, which is a small top-loaded septic tank that fertilizes the flower beds. She isn't able to open the Doolie -- thank heaven -- but she evidently decided that infernal comb belonged over there.


Yesterday I began a new series on trade and tariff. It continues with more today.

There is mail pointing to an important essay on science by Feynman.

 

And I see by the morning's papers that Hunting Bambi was in fact a hoax all along. I suspected as much but it was an interesting story -- and the fact that it could have been true, and many believed it to be, is itself interesting.

 

 

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Sunday, July 27, 2003

On Iraq

James Baker is being sent to Iraq. 

This sends several signals. First, the Neo-Conservative dominance is over; Baker is not popular with the Weekly Standard crowd, is Christian and his wife is very deeply committed; Baker as Secretary of State once personally delivered a building permit application from a Christian Arab who wanted to build an expansion to his university to the Prime Minister of Israel with the comment that the Israeli government had lost the previous four submissions, so he, Baker, wanted to be sure this one would not be lost.

They got the point and the old priest got his building permit after 3 years of being given the run around. (I know him, and I got the story from him personally, in the presence of a couple of American bishops and a State Department official who vouched for it.)

Oil in Iraq is up to 1 million bbl/day; we need 8 million/day, and I suspect Baker and the Halliburton techs can do this.

Now my proposal:  the US should pay to everyone in Iraq who can show he was a former officer of the regular army (not the special units) $4 American per day, to every NCO $3 a day, and to every former private $2 a day: this to be paid each week in which no American soldiers are killed in guerrilla attacks.  This would be cheaper than what we are doing; it would be more effective; it would get some money moving around in Iraq again; and it would give an incentive to some who have some abilities to stop the attacks on US troops.

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