{"id":8620,"date":"2012-07-22T07:56:18","date_gmt":"2012-07-22T14:56:18","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.jerrypournelle.com\/chaosmanor\/?p=8620"},"modified":"2012-07-22T18:43:13","modified_gmt":"2012-07-23T01:43:13","slug":"kicking-a-sacred-calf","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.jerrypournelle.com\/chaosmanor\/kicking-a-sacred-calf\/","title":{"rendered":"Kicking a sacred calf"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>View 734 Sunday, July 22, 2012<\/p>\n<p>Still in Chattanooga with the ThinkPad. The IBM keyboard is pretty good but I find I am addicted to full size keyboards. Work with this one is slow. I\u2019m a sloppy typist anyway. I\u2019d have done better to learn two finger typing. Ah well.<\/p>\n<p>We had the traditional Libertycon Mad Scientists discussion last night. This was started some years ago when Jimmy Hogan was a guest here and as was his bent he had a late night discussion on things in science we are sure of that may not be so. A lot of that got into his book Kicking the Sacred Cow, and while he is likely wrong about most of his theories it\u2019s healthy to look at basic scientific beliefs with a bit of a jaundiced eye, just to find out if you can back up your own beliefs. There\u2019s also a long tradition in the Catholic Church of exposing core beliefs to the test of reason \u2013 Aquinas and Erasmus come to mind among dozens of others \u2013 but of course the hierarchy lapses into \u2018believe or else\u2019 mode at frequent intervals;. Pournelle\u2019s Iron Law of Bureaucracy at work, I suppose, but that\u2019s too long a topic for now.<\/p>\n<p>I wanted to kick the Special Relativity sacred cow, and for that matter General Relativity as well, especially since Einstein himself began to wonder about Special after the big confirming instances of General and the Hubble discoveries. I\u2019ve said all this before and I have nothing whatever to add to Petr Beckmann\u2019s book Einstein Plus Two which doesn\u2019t attempt to refute relativity, it merely points out that the crucial experiments that seem to make necessary the complexities of relativity equations can in fact be explained by more conventional Newtonian views.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>On the orbit of Mercury, on page 171, Beckmann writes: &quot;&#8230; Einstein was not the first to derive the Mercury formula. It had been derived 17 years earlier by Paul Gerber [1898] by classical physics using the same assumption that I am using now \u2014 the propagation of gravity with velocity <b><i>c<\/i><\/b>. For readers who find this hard to believe, Gerber&#8217;s final expression is reproduced here: &#8230;&quot;. After reprinting Gerber&#8217;s formula as it appeared in <i>Zeitschrift f\u00fcr Mathematik und Physik<\/i>, vol. 43, p. 103, Beckmann notes that this formula is now known as &quot;the Einstein formula&quot;. <a href=\"http:\/\/explorersfoundation.org\/glyphery\/496.html\" class=\"external\" rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">http:\/\/explorersfoundation.org\/glyphery\/496.html<\/a>) <\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Alas, I found the usual results: most physicists don\u2019t study relativity at all, but they do hear people they respect say that it\u2019s absolutely proven, and quite properly assume it doesn\u2019t need further investigation. Perhaps so, but Beckmann, who thoroughly understood both General and Special Relativity, thought it a needless sacred cow and proceeded to offer alternatives. See Beckmann, <em>Einstein Plus Two<\/em>. He claims to cover all the known evidence, not in an attempt to refute either eneral or special relativity but to show they are not needed to explain what experiments have shown. Obviously relativity theory works, but it may be leading to some needless postulates about cosmology that make things more, not less, difficult to understand \u2013 a sort of Occam\u2019s barber shop floor principle rather than Occam\u2019s razor. But that\u2019s kicking sacred cows, and it\u2019s more a sport than a science even if it could be important.<\/p>\n<p>And I am off to another panel.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jerrypournelle.com\/chaosmanor\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/clip_image00250.gif\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"background-image: none; border-bottom: 0px; border-left: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; display: inline; border-top: 0px; border-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px\" title=\"clip_image002\" border=\"0\" alt=\"clip_image002\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jerrypournelle.com\/chaosmanor\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/clip_image002_thumb16.gif\" width=\"240\" height=\"8\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The convention is formally over and we\u2019re about to go to dinner somewhere. I\u2019ll see what I can do about catching up when I get back.&#160; And we returned, and had the last meetings, and I am going to try to get a mailbag out before I go to bed. We return in the morning.<\/p>\n<p>It has been a good weekend. There were panels on the future of education and what science fiction says about democracy, and can we save civilization?&#160; Bit hard to do in an hour, but we try to indicate ways of thinking about the problem, probably endind up with me sounding like a pretentious ass \u2013 old professors given an audience often do.&#160; Ah well.<\/p>\n<p>&#160;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jerrypournelle.com\/chaosmanor\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/clip_image00255.gif\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"background-image: none; border-bottom: 0px; border-left: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; display: inline; border-top: 0px; border-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px\" title=\"clip_image002\" border=\"0\" alt=\"clip_image002\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jerrypournelle.com\/chaosmanor\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/clip_image002_thumb17.gif\" width=\"240\" height=\"8\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>View 734 Sunday, July 22, 2012 Still in Chattanooga with the ThinkPad. The IBM keyboard is pretty good but I find I am addicted to full size keyboards. Work with this one is slow. I\u2019m a sloppy typist anyway. I\u2019d have done better to learn two finger typing. 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