{"id":2533,"date":"2011-10-11T15:37:50","date_gmt":"2011-10-11T22:37:50","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/jerrypournelle.com\/chaosmanor\/?p=2533"},"modified":"2011-10-11T23:43:25","modified_gmt":"2011-10-12T06:43:25","slug":"occupy-the-debate","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.jerrypournelle.com\/chaosmanor\/occupy-the-debate\/","title":{"rendered":"Occupy the Debate"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>View 696 Tuesday, October 11, 2011<\/p>\n<p>The Travelling Republican Debate show continues tonight with Charlie Rose, who generally considers himself the smartest person in the room and often is. It will be interesting to see him in action with the Republican candidates, at least two of whom are smarter than he is.<\/p>\n<p>It is said that the debate is intended to emphasize economics and that Rose will also try to embarrass the Republican candidates with questions and jibes about the Occupy Wall Street movements. <\/p>\n<p>It may be interesting to see what the candidates have to say about the Occupy Wall Street movements, although probably not, because they aren\u2019t likely to take them seriously. After all, this was called into existence by Adbusters, a rather strange organization, supported by ACORN and community organizers, and suddenly supported by the regular political operatives of organized labor. There seems to be little common ground among the demonstrators other than a general discontent with the way things are going, and a disdain for the Tea Party. I would presume that most of the demonstrators are Obama supporters &#8212; or more likely, disappointed Obama supporters. The disappointment has gone to disdain with some. He was supposed to have brought us hope and change, and an end to this corporate state and domination of the nation by the 1% and some kind of transfer of power to the 99%, and a general return to prosperity and something like participatory democracy, and that didn\u2019t happen. He promised the most open administration in history, and the most ethical, and that hasn\u2019t happened either. There don\u2019t seem to be any more people actually listening as there were before Obama\u2019s inauguration. The hope and change didn\u2019t happen but since the Republicans are the party of big corporations and big banks, where do you go from here?<\/p>\n<p>If a lot of this sounds like the Tea Party, it\u2019s hardly a coincidence. The Tea Party people decided to try reforming the Republican Party and weaning it away from corporate welfare and \u201cBig Government Conservatism&quot; (whatever that it; it sure isn\u2019t conservative). They seem to be doing some of that. It needs to continue. Establishment Republicans won\u2019t save this country. <\/p>\n<p>A good part of the country is unhappy with the concentration of wealth and power that has taken place over the past decades. That includes me. Marx predicted that capitalism contained the seeds of its own destruction, and the concentration of power under capitalism is inevitable. The economist David McCord Wright believed that one principle reason why Marxism didn\u2019t get so far in the United States is that we had the anti-trust acts and prevented the overwhelming concentrations of power that would otherwise have resulted. I would certainly support a return to breaking up power concentrations, not by confiscation but by anti-trust actions. Instead of the Big Five banks I\u2019d be much happier with the Not-So-Big Fifty, or Forty. I\u2019d do the same with many of the other industries. But that\u2019s another essay. My point is that capitalists always cooperate each other to influence government \u2013 see Adam Smith as a beginning \u2013 to restrict entry into their particular part of the market. That\u2019s not necessarily a Republican trick. Look at Obama and the auto industry, the stimulus actions, or almost anywhere else you look as first Republicans and then Democrats thrashed about trying to recover from the collapse of the housing market bubble \u2013 a bubble created by government in efforts begun by Democrats but continued by post-Gingrich Republicans, which enriched Wall Street. No wonder so many Occupy Wall Street people are unhappy. They have every right to be, and it takes a great deal more education than they are likely to have got in their terribly expensive years in our new modern colleges to figure out what went wrong or how to get out of it.<\/p>\n<p>For a start they want the bailout money back. It didn\u2019t go to them. To whom did it go? There was a lot of money floating out there \u2013<\/p>\n<p>Anyway, look for that. Look for Charlie Rose to be easy on Romney and hard on Perry. See how he treats Cain. And now that Palin has pretty well removed herself as a possible knight riding to the rescue, things will get more serious as the Republicans begin to realize that their candidate probably is on that stage; it\u2019s a bit late for anyone else to come to their rescue.<\/p>\n<p>It should all start in an hour or so. I\u2019ll have some comments after it\u2019s over.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/jerrypournelle.com\/chaosmanor\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/10\/clip_image00228.gif\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"background-image: none; border-bottom: 0px; border-left: 0px; margin: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; display: inline; border-top: 0px; border-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px\" title=\"clip_image002\" border=\"0\" alt=\"clip_image002\" src=\"http:\/\/jerrypournelle.com\/chaosmanor\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/10\/clip_image002_thumb10.gif\" width=\"240\" height=\"8\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>There were no surprises in the Republican debate at Dartmouth this evening. The candidates have finally learned not to treat each other as enemies, and to stop bashing each other; the lesson hasn\u2019t been perfectly learned, but they\u2019re doing better. Bachman managed to control her near-surface hysteria, sufficiently so that I\u2019d advise her to run for Speaker of the House. She\u2019d be a good one. Cain looked Presidential, as did Romney and Perry. Newt Gingrich as always was the smartest man in the room, and managed to get the point across: there wasn\u2019t anyone on the platform who wouldn\u2019t do a better job than Mr. Obama. In the old days when Postmaster General was a high precedence Cabinet position that served as the post for Presidential Advisor \u2013 think Benjamin Franklin as Washington\u2019s Postmaster General, or Farley as Roosevelt\u2019s \u2013 I\u2019d think the country well served if Newt had that post. We don\u2019t have anything quite like it now, a cabinet level position without direct management responsibility, not confined to \u201cnational security\u201d but expected to be involved in that. We need Newt Gingrich in a position close to the President, someone to be listened to and free to range through all the actions of government without the responsibility of actual management.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m not familiar with the Bloomberg Channel, which is apparently popular with financial institutions and offices; indeed I don\u2019t think I have ever watched it before, and I had trouble finding it among the many channels we get. I found it an hour before the debates began and watched for a while. Their political analysts were almost all both arrogant and incompetent. If Charlie Rose spends much time hanging around with them it\u2019s no wonder that he\u2019s sure he\u2019s always the smartest man in the room. Of the three interrogators, one was the Washington Post harridan who considered it her job to argue with the candidates and become part of the debate, one was Charlie Rose who wasn\u2019t much different from any of the other moderators in such debates, and one was a Bloomberg analyst who appeared more competent than anyone else I saw at Bloomberg. The fact the she was a personable young lady with a reasonable media voice and demeanor didn\u2019t hurt. Some of the Bloomberg pundits had voices and demeanor totally unsuitable for public appearances coupled with an apparent inability to understand what they were talking about.&#160; Those were my impressions; I could be wrong because my exposure to them was limited; I can say I won\u2019t be going back to Bloomberg for much else.<\/p>\n<p>The debate won\u2019t have changed many opinions. Rick Perry came off better this time, but so did all the others: less strident, less ready to tear each other apart, more inclined to talk about what they intend to do rather than recite resumes.<\/p>\n<p>The big three remain: Romney, Perry, and Cain. The others didn\u2019t come off badly at all. I could live with any of them as President.<\/p>\n<p>&#160;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/jerrypournelle.com\/chaosmanor\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/10\/clip_image00237.gif\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"background-image: none; border-bottom: 0px; border-left: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; display: inline; border-top: 0px; border-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px\" title=\"clip_image002[3]\" border=\"0\" alt=\"clip_image002[3]\" src=\"http:\/\/jerrypournelle.com\/chaosmanor\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/10\/clip_image0023_thumb7.gif\" width=\"240\" height=\"8\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Yesterday was 10\/10\/2011 as well as Columbus Day. Ten-ten is the anniversary of the 1912 founding of the Republic of China as well as anniversary of the uprising in 1911 that led to the fall of the centuries old dynasty and millennia old empire.<\/p>\n<p>During the Cold War ten-ten, or double-ten, was an important day. The Republic of China was recognized by the United States, and the Republic threw large receptions\/parties attended by much of the diplomatic corps \u2013 those who sympathized with Nationalist China as opposed to Red China. Senator Tom Dodd\u2019s Committee of One Million Against the Recognition of Red China generally threw another reception. The US recognized diplomatic corps of the Baltic Republics (which were physically occupied by the USSR and claimed to be part of Russia until the breakup of the USSR) would attend. As Southern California Chairman of Captive Nations I was always very busy on Ten-Ten. Even after the US recognition of the People\u2019s Republic (and the diplomatic exile of the Republic) there were ceremonies on Ten-Ten for years, but the music stopped as time went on. I think my last Ten-Ten party was in about 1996 at Universal City. It was organized by Chinese Americans and I was invited because I had been considered a good friend of China in the old days. My friend Supervisor Mike Antonovitch was there. I hear from him once in a while, but I think I haven\u2019t had a Ten-Ten invitation since.<\/p>\n<p>With the end of the Cold War the US commitments to the Far East have been reexamined and new priorities and policies instituted. Over time the Republic of China, now known as Chinese Taiwan and not recognized as a sovereign entity, has become a stable parliamentary democracy. The People\u2019s Republic of China remains what it is.<\/p>\n<p>At one time the policy of the US was that we agree that China is one country, and that it includes Formosa (Taiwan).<\/p>\n<p>For my last essay on the subject (1999) see <a title=\"http:\/\/www.jerrypournelle.com\/reports\/jerryp\/taiwan.html\" href=\"http:\/\/www.jerrypournelle.com\/reports\/jerryp\/taiwan.html\">http:\/\/www.jerrypournelle.com\/reports\/jerryp\/taiwan.html<\/a>, which also includes an FPRI report on the subject. Things have changed a lot since 1999 but the essays are informative about history.<\/p>\n<p>&#160;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/jerrypournelle.com\/chaosmanor\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/10\/clip_image00238.gif\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"background-image: none; border-bottom: 0px; border-left: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; display: inline; border-top: 0px; border-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px\" title=\"clip_image002[3]\" border=\"0\" alt=\"clip_image002[3]\" src=\"http:\/\/jerrypournelle.com\/chaosmanor\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/10\/clip_image0023_thumb8.gif\" width=\"240\" height=\"8\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/jerrypournelle.com\/chaosmanor\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/10\/clip_image0053.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"background-image: none; border-bottom: 0px; border-left: 0px; margin: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; display: inline; border-top: 0px; border-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px\" title=\"clip_image005\" border=\"0\" alt=\"clip_image005\" src=\"http:\/\/jerrypournelle.com\/chaosmanor\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/10\/clip_image005_thumb3.jpg\" width=\"244\" height=\"6\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/jerrypournelle.com\/chaosmanor\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/10\/clip_image00248.gif\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"background-image: none; border-bottom: 0px; border-left: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; display: inline; border-top: 0px; border-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px\" title=\"clip_image002[4]\" border=\"0\" alt=\"clip_image002[4]\" src=\"http:\/\/jerrypournelle.com\/chaosmanor\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/10\/clip_image0024_thumb7.gif\" width=\"240\" height=\"8\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>View 696 Tuesday, October 11, 2011 The Travelling Republican Debate show continues tonight with Charlie Rose, who generally considers himself the smartest person in the room and often is. 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