The President Punts in the Syrian War Game

View 787 Saturday, August 31, 2013

 

“Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency.”

President Barrack Obama, January 31, 2009

 

“Build your enemy a golden bridge to retreat across.”

The Art of War

Sun Tzu

 

Never do any enemy a small injury.

Niccolò Machiavelli

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President Obama has announced from the Rose Garden that (1) Bashar al-Assad has used chemical weapons against his own citizens in the civil war in Syrian, (2) this must be punished as it is a monstrous crime against humanity, (3) he has the authority to strike Syria in any way he thinks important since he has deemed that leaving the gas attack unpunished would be a threat against US national security interests, and under the War Powers Resolution of 1973 has the authority to order whatever military action against the Syrian government as he deems proper to deal with this threat to American National Security.

He has not always so interpreted the 1973 Democratic resolution designed to get the US out of Viet Nam just when Saigon had won the civil war, and was now faced with a Russian armed invasion by an armored army from North Viet Nam. The Resolution was carefully crafted to allow the US to anticipate or respond to Soviet actions – particularly a nuclear attack on the US – while keeping us out of future Viet Nam wars. When the North invaded South Viet Nam with 150,000 troops and 3 armored divisions, in 1972 the US assisted in the defense of the South with air and sea support, lots of munitions, logistical efforts, but little ground combat forces, and the invasion from the North was defeated; of the 150,000 sent into South Viet Nam, fewer than 50,000 ever got home. The US/South Viet Nam alliance had won major war at minimal US costs. Then came the 1973 Resolution, and when the North invaded the South in 1975, the US gave its ally no air support, and supplied the Army of the Republic of Viet Nam with 20 rounds and 2 hand grenades per man. The Soviet Union equipped a new armored army that would have been respectably large in World War II. It was sent South in a massive invasion and the US left South Viet Nam to its own devices. Saigon fell, and the era of the boat people was at hand. The War Powers Resolution had done its work.

The present interpretation is different: "A limited engagement such as the one tentatively proposed for Syria, involving no troops on the ground and relying on weapons fired from air and sea, does not appear to fulfill the vague criteria for ‘hostilities’ under the War Powers Resolution," says Christopher McKnight Nichols, a professor at Oregon State University and an expert on the U.S. military history. "Thus the proposed intervention in Syria does not appear to require a deadline for congressional approval or force withdrawal."

Having asserted that a strike against Syria is necessary and proper, and that he has both the physical means and the constitutional authority to order this punitive bombardment, the President announced that he will wait for Congress to come back from the Labor Day holidays and ask for Congressional approval before he sends in the cruise missiles. This will be a bombardment, not an invasion or a punitive expedition.

It is an act of war and by definition of interference in the internal affairs of Syria.

I am no great fan of the United Nations, but President Obama has said in the past that he is.

A/RES/36/103
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          36/103.  Declaration on the Inadmissibility of Intervention
                   and Interference in the Internal Affairs of States
 
               The General Assembly,

Recognizing that full observance of the principles of

non-intervention and non-interference in the internal and external

affairs of sovereign States and peoples, either directly or

indirectly, overtly or covertly, is essential to the fulfilment of

the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations,

1. Approves the Declaration on the Inadmissibility of

Intervention and Interference in the Internal Affairs of States, the

text of which is annexed to the present resolution;

2. Requests the Secretary-General to ensure the widest

disseminaion of this Declaration to States, the specialized agencies

and other organizations in associaton with the United Nations, and

other appropriate bodies.

But, the President says, over 1400 Syrians were killed in the chemical attack including 426 children; that clearly has to be punished, and although the British have decided that they won’t participate, the French (who would not let our air strike against Khadafi fly over French airspace when Reagan bombarded Libya) are all for us.

We live in interesting times.

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Since some bombardment of Syria is now considered necessary and proper, the question becomes one of choosing targets. The purpose of the US bombardment is to teach a lesson: you must not use Soman, Sarin, Tabun, VX, or even mustard gas in your civil war. The bombardment is explicitly intended not to effect a regime change; it is punitive only.

Targeting the stockpiles of chemical weapons, assuming that we know where they are, seems a singularly bad idea. Indeed, if Assad can herd his enemies into areas around a war gas dump and there comes a terrible explosion that distributes VX or Soman around the area, who can say that this was not some missile fired from a US warship, or a drone, or from some rocket base in Israel or Jordan. “Our enemies said they would bombard us. Now they have done so.” Of course that requires an explanation of why there was a store or Tabun, but the US still has some stockpiles of really nasty stuff – it turns out that safely getting rid of it is much harder to do than we thought – and having a secure stockpile isn’t an international crime. “We had it secured. But we couldn’t secure it against whatever the United States fired at us.” Or of course the grand plea: “We didn’t have Sarin. The US did. It was their missile that carried it.”

Or, perhaps in keeping with the notion that the US Navy is now serving as the long range bombardment system for al Qaeda, we could crater Syrian runways, blow up their air control towers, and generally cripple as much of their air force as we can find. It might work. But no battle plan survives contact with the enemy. The Syrians are not fools.

Keeping an air force from being a target is tricky but possible. One assumes that the Syrians have learned a lot from the Swedes who successfully kept a modern air force distributed all over the nation. Not just helicopters, either. You do need fuel trucks and possibly pipe lines.

Of course the French will help choose targets. They used to run the place before World War II – and they still have commercial interests in Syria.

If we do find their airplanes and blow them up (expensive aircraft destroyed by even more expensive missiles – modern war is not cheap)  the Syrians will have to buy more modern airplanes from the Russians, which ought to benefit the Russian economy. Perhaps someone in the Middle East will then feel threatened and want to update their air force and come to MacDonnell-Douglas or Boeing, which might have some benefit for the US. And perhaps that is unduly cynical.

I am glad I am not involved in target selection for the coming bombardment of Syria.

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Of course it is not entirely clear what the Congress will have to say. The wording of a resolution authorizing the President to punish an unruly nation with a naval and air bombardment will prove interesting. With the President I look forward to the debate.

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For whimsical consideration only: would we be better off if the Egyptian military discovered that at one time Syria and Egypt were the “United Arab Republic” (back when the two Hashemite monarchs in Jordan and Iraq formed in retaliation to Nasser’s United Arab Republic the United Arab Kingdoms). The Egyptian President could decide that the union still existed, and send the Mamelukes into Syria to reestablish order and bring Syria into union with Egypt again; to be governed of course by a coalition of the Egyptian and Syrian military. 

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Panspermia, potholes in the road to war, Snowden, SDI, and other matters

Mail 787 Thursday, August 29, 2013

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H. Beam Piper

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/165184-life-on-earth-originally-came-from-mars-new-study-suggests

Chris Barker

Omnilingual

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"The evidence seems to be building that we are actually all Martians; that life started on Mars and came to Earth on a rock."

<http://news.sky.com/story/1134431/life-on-earth-started-on-mars-say-scientists>

Roland Dobbins

Not quite what Piper envisioned, but still…

Actually I have long accepted the panspermia hypothesis in most of my science fiction stories.

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Constitutional question re Nidal Hasan

Dr. Pournelle,

In reading the reports of the death sentence recommended by the jury, I learned something interesting: military death sentences require confirmation by the President.

The constitutional question this fact raises is this: In the event that President Barack Obama fails to confirm the death sentence for the Fort Hood workplace violence incident, would the prohibition on double jeopardy prevent Hasan from being brought up on treason charges when Obama’s term is over?

—Joel Salomon

“[N]or shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb “ says the Fifth Amendment, which means no. For that matter, the President could but certainly will not pardon Hasan. What I do wish is that he would rule that this as an act of war against the US and the soldiers wounded deserve Purple Hearts and all the benefits accruing to those injured or killed in combat.

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HASAN to death!

Finally, we see a sensible outcome:

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A military jury on Wednesday sentenced Maj. Nidal Hasan to death for the 2009 shooting rampage at Fort Hood, handing the Army psychiatrist the ultimate punishment after a trial in which he seemed to be courting martyrdom by making almost no effort to defend himself.

The rare military death sentence came nearly four years after the attack that stunned even an Army hardened by more than a decade of constant war. Hasan walked into a medical building where soldiers were getting medical checkups, shouted "Allahu Akbar" _ Arabic for "God is great!" _ and opened fire with a laser-sighted handgun. Thirteen people were killed.

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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/08/28/Soldier-sentenced-to-death-for-Fort-Hood-shooting

This is the first time I’ve known of a military death sentence in my lifetime.  I wanted to check to make sure; what I found was on April 13, 1961, U.S. Army Private John A. Bennett was hanged after being convicted of rape and attempted murder — deathpenaltyinfo.org.

With the context of the previous paragraph in mind, Major Hasan’s execution seems fitting albeit severely delayed. 

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Most Respectfully,

Joshua Jordan, KSC

Percussa Resurgo

I’d like to see Hasan dance Danny Deever, but it won’t happen. Wall him in a secure place with a ham sandwich, water with a pork chop in it, and a live grenade, and come back in six months… But I suppose that would be cruel and most certainly would be unusual.

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Gas Attack – Whodunnit

This from RTV explains why the Russians don’t believe it.

http://rt.com/news/syria-chemical-prepared-advance-901/

They say that though the Syrian government officially did it on August 21st, 3 videos of the attack were posted by the rebels on August 20th.

I assume they are right about this since the dates could be easily checked. In which case I can see no alternative to rebel fraud.

So why do our media keep silent on this aspect?

Neil Craig

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Two Questions on Syria

I have thoughts and two questions:

Would it be possible?  Who would be capable of doing such a thing?

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Last Wednesday, in the hours after a horrific chemical attack east of Damascus, an official at the Syrian Ministry of Defense exchanged panicked phone calls with a leader of a chemical weapons unit, demanding answers for a nerve agent strike that killed more than 1,000 people. Those conversations were overheard by U.S. intelligence services, The Cable has learned. And that is the major reason why American officials now say they’re certain that the attacks were the work of the Bashar al-Assad regime — and why the U.S. military is likely to attack that regime in a matter of days.

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http://tinyurl.com/q9otn9g

We have SIGINT intercepts proving a chemical attack?  At best, someone has a confession with details concerning use of chemical weapons. Does this prove an attack?  How can we verify those SIGINT intercepts? 

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"Gentlemen! We have called you together to inform you that we are going to overthrow the United States government." So begins a statement being delivered by Gen. Carl W. Steiner, former Commander-in-chief, U.S. Special Operations Command.

At least the voice sounds amazingly like him.

But it is not Steiner. It is the result of voice "morphing" technology developed at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico.

By taking just a 10-minute digital recording of Steiner’s voice, scientist George Papcun is able, in near real time, to clone speech patterns and develop an accurate facsimile. Steiner was so impressed, he asked for a copy of the tape.

Steiner was hardly the first or last victim to be spoofed by Papcun’s team members. To refine their method, they took various high quality recordings of generals and experimented with creating fake statements. One of the most memorable is Colin Powell stating "I am being treated well by my captors."

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http://tinyurl.com/7xxy

Consider Syria:  Would it be possible?  Who would be capable of doing such a thing?

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Most Respectfully,

Joshua Jordan, KSC

Percussa Resurgo

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Nerve Agents

Jerry,

I looked at some of the victim tapes and they sure were twitching in a familiar way. Admittedly, my personal experience is with demo goats. A bit of neurotoxin in the eye; twitch,twitch; a syrette of atropine in the haunch; artificial respiration by the modified chest pressure/hoof pull method. About five minutes later the star staggers off the stage back to the pen. Survive three shows and you are off to Pelham Range to live a feral life.

Folks around Anniston might be able to tell us how the herd is doing these days.

Since the MSF doctors did not bring anybody back from the brink and there is plenty of atropine available in the area, it looks like somebody came up with old(probably) Russian rockets loaded with GD. Atropine won’t help with that.

As to whodunit, now there is plenty of room for speculation. May not even have been any of the serious participants.

Val Augstkalns

 

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Dr. Pournelle,

Scrolling through currant view I saw several reiterations, by you, that no wmd was found. Well perhaps yellowcake isn’t a weapon as such, but what else would it be used for? here is your link: http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-202_162-4235028.html

and then there is this: http://news.yahoo.com/uk-experts-help-iraq-destroy-chemical-residues-44204378.html

I also recall a lot of speculation during the (2nd) war that perhaps it was moved to Lebanon.

Martin Lee Rose

Colorado

Throughout history it has been the inaction of those who could have acted, the indifference of those who should have known better, the silence of the voice of justice when it mattered most, that has made it possible for evil to triumph. -Haile Selassie I

 

I think I do not entirely understand. Yellow Cake is useful only if you have lots of centrifuges and a very complex chemical industrial lab.

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I personally met soldiers from the 4th Infantry Division that not only stumbled upon bunkers of 55 gallon drums full of it, they had to go through the complete decontamination procedures

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I am willing to bet, the WMD was seriously deteriorated to the point where it was hardly useful, but the USM is careful on such matters, so decontaminates in an abundance of caution.

The stuff the Poles found was decayed a lot.

I am assuming the “stuff” referred to was a war gas? We know Saddam had plenty at one time, but he does seem to have played a complex game after. He almost certainly had no “weapons” in the sense of usable and deployable weaponized war gas dispensers. He we found even one of those Bush would personally have gone on TV to show it. And no wonder.

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Syria –

Hi Jerry,

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/28/israeli-intelligence-first-confirmed-assad-regime-behind-alleged-chemical/

I would not consider that a reliable source. Israel has strong self-interest in American involvement. I’m not saying that there is deliberate deception (though that’s certainly a possibility), but I’d argue that their desire for intervention may very well cause questionable intelligence to be given more creed than it deserves. I’ll say the same thing about Assad as I said about Saddam. They both want to be the big fish in a small pond, and they’re not likely to go teasing a shark. Saddam was never an existential threat to America, and Syria certainly isn’t. If we want to solve the tin-pot dictator problem, a good and cheap way to do it is to go back to the 1970’s….let them retire in luxury to the riveria. When the alternative is prison, war crimes trial, and death, of course they will fight to the end.

The war powers in the Constitution, and in the war powers act, only authorize the president to respond to an actual or imminent attack on us. That’s why Bush had to get congressional approval to do anything. Syria clearly isn’t an immediate threat and ‘doing something we don’t like’ isn’t an enumerated authorization for military action. Not that Obama cares one whit about separation of powers, limits on executive authority, or the constitution.

But I agree, McCain has lost the last shreds of his credibility on this one. I’m sure you remember the old tale of the tar baby – getting stuck to a petroleum product by our own bad choices made in a fit of righteous anger, seems an apt analogy. Brer Rabbit got free, but somehow we keep going back and getting stuck over and over again.

Cheers,

Doug=

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http://seekingalpha.com/article/1658262-kandi-technologies-exceptional-strategy-for-china-from-an-urban-planning-view?source=email_the_daily_dispatch&ifp=0

Dear Jerry:

The article linked above gives some extraordinary insights into the future. It’s comprehensive and well researched.

Regards,

Francis Hamit

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MLK III, claim, the color of your skin has become a license to murder.

Jerry:

Here is an interesting blog article addressing a subject that few people want to talk about.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/08/24/is-this-what-ryan-julison-intended-all-along/

In his speech in Washington, MLK III complained that the color of their skin has become a license to murder. He is partially right. Except having Black skin has become a license to commit murder, not be murdered.

The specter of lynchings is particularly interesting.

A racist conspiracy is by definition a conspiracy. A conspiracy by definition involves more than one perpetrator.

Here are some pertinent statistics from the FBI-SHR database. Here is a link to an online app to access the database.

http://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/ezashr/asp/off_display.asp

In the last three decades, over 15,000 Whites have been murdered by groups of Blacks.

Only some 3,600 Blacks have been murdered by groups of Whites during that same time period.

Given the fact that Blacks account for only one-eighth of the population, if the probability that Blacks would enter into a conspiracy to commit an interracial murder was no greater than Whites, the ratio of such group killings would be eight Blacks killed for every White killed. The fact that it is Six Whites Killed for every Black killed reveals that Blacks are almost fifty times as likely to enter into a conspiracy to commit interracial murder as Whites.

While the total number of interracial murders by groups of Blacks has decreased slightly in recent years, the percentage of such murders relative to the total number of murders has increased dramatically.

Exactly who are the racists?

James Crawford

SUBJ: Ben Stein nails it

"The Oklahoma Story"

http://spectator.org/archives/2013/08/21/the-oklahoma-story

A money quote: ". . . the real race problem in this country is not racism against blacks, but an astounding epidemic of violence among blacks, especially black youth? Will the media superstars start talking about the sickening worship of violence in the rap culture? Will anyone ever tell the truth again? Or is the fear of even a hint of an accusation of racism going to make us keep our blinders on?"

It is ironic that those who shout "racism" at every turn are in fact enabling the self-destruction of the very group they claim to defend.

Cordially,

John

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Judge Jeanie lights off a nuke criticizing the Obama regime

Judge Jeanine: US gov’t full of nothing but hot air?

http://video.foxnews.com/v/2627341572001/judge-jeanine-us-govt-full-of-nothing-but-hot-air/

Bravo! Now, when can we impeach the so and so at whose desk the buck stops?

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Iron Law

Dr. Pournelle;

I came across this and thought you might appreciate it. I and a few others have been embroiled in a struggle with local government in the Gulf Islands North of the border. They periodically attempt to enslave the local peasantry with draconian and far-reaching bylaws intended to strip us of our rights in a way that the Federal Government wouldn’t (yet) dare. At any rate, hope this missive finds you well. Keep fighting the good fight.

–Eric Gilmer, Gabriola Island, British Columbia.

In the year 2013, the Lord came unto Noah, Who was now living in America and said: "Once again, the earth has become wicked and over-populated, and I see the end of all flesh before me."

"Build another Ark and save 2 of every living thing along with a few good humans."

He gave Noah the blueprints, saying: "You have 6 months to build the Ark before I will start the unending rain for 40 days and 40 nights."

Six months later, the Lord looked down and saw Noah weeping in his yard – but no Ark."Noah!," He roared, "I’m about to start the rain! Where is the Ark?"

"Forgive me, Lord," begged Noah, "but things have changed."

"I needed a Building Permit."

"I’ve been arguing with the Boat Inspector about the need for a sprinkler system."

"My homeowners association claim that I’ve violated the Neighborhood by-laws by building the Ark in my back yard and exceeding the height limitations. We had to go to the local Planning Committee for a decision."

"Then the City Council and the Electricity Company demanded a shed load of money for the future costs of moving power lines and other overhead obstructions, to clear the passage for the Ark’s move to the sea. I told them that the sea would be coming to us, but they would hear none of it."

"Getting the wood was another problem. There’s a ban on cutting local trees in order to save the Greater Spotted Barn Owl."

"I tried to convince the environmentalists that I needed the wood to save the owls – but no go!"

"When I started gathering the animals, PETA took me to court. They insisted that I was confining wild animals against their will. They argued the accommodations were too restrictive and it was cruel and inhumane to put so many animals in a confined space."

"Then the Environmental Protection Agency ruled that I couldn’t build the Ark until they’d conducted an environmental impact study on Your proposed flood."

"I’m still trying to resolve a complaint with the Human Rights Commission on how many minorities I’m supposed to hire for my building crew."

"The Immigration Dept. Is checking the visa status of most of the people who want to work."

"The labor unions say I can’t use my sons. They insist I have to hire only union workers with ark-building experience."

"To make matters worse, the IRS seized all my assets, claiming I’m trying to leave the country illegally with endangered species."

"So, forgive me, Lord, but it would take at least 10 years for me to finish this ark."

"Suddenly the skies cleared, the sun began to shine and a rainbow stretched across the sky."

Noah looked up in wonder and asked, "You mean you’re not going to destroy the world?"

"No," said the Lord. " The Government beat me to it."

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“The emotional and financial burden has been staggering. Never in my wildest dreams did I somehow imagine I was committing a crime.”

<http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/08/16/199590/seeing-threats-feds-target-instructors.html>

Roland Dobbins

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Re: Making Sense from Snowden

Jerry,

See the linked article Making Sense from Snowden (I found it linked on Bruce Schneier’s blog). It’s a good analysis of what we’ve seen revealed so far.

http://www.computer.org/cms/Computer.org/ComputingNow/pdfs/MakingSenseFromSnowden-IEEESecurityAndPrivacy.pdf

Regards,

George

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Noonan’s column for Friday "A Nation of Sullen Paranoids" at http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324619504579029170678905440.html

You may need to go via Google news and search "Noonan paranoids" to get past the firewall.

"If you assume all the information that can and will be gleaned will be confined to NSA and national security purposes, you are not sufficiently imaginative or informed. If you believe the information will never be used wrongly or recklessly, you are touchingly innocent."

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SDI, Pseudo Science?

Jerry,

You commented on the missive asserting the cliché argument that SDI could not be successful because it couldn’t be 100% effective. While your response about making missile silos more survivable enhancing deterrence invalid, I think you ignore the potential benefits of even a marginally effective interceptor system.

IIRC, the cliché was that even if SDI was 99% effective, the country would be destroyed by the 1% of the warheads that reached their targets.

The first flaw is presuming that the 100 warheads that penetrated the defenses would destroy 100 separate targets. This argument ignores the fact that the attacker can not predict in advance which warheads will be intercepted. All he can do is aim 100 warheads each at 100 separate targets. The number of targets surviving given a 99% effective intercept system will then be (.99)^100 = 36%

The second flaw is presuming that an attacker needs to destroy only 100 targets to destroy the US. The last time I checked, far less than half of the US population lived in the largest 100 cities. More importantly, modern missile warheads are not the multimegaton, city busting nukes of the 1960s. Almost all deployed nukes are less than one megaton. If you crunch the numbers for the probable lethal area of modern weapons and compare this to the area of US cities, you find that an attacker would need to hit over 500 separate target areas to kill the inhabitants of the 100 largest US cities.

The third flaw is the presumption that you can’t reduce the fatalities inflicted by warheads that aren’t intercepted. The above calculation was predicated on the "lethal area" demonstrated by the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs as well as nuclear test data with the two-thirds scaling law applied for increased weapons yield. However; Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined with test data reveals that the lethality of nuclear weapons is greatly dependent on the types of structures (or lack of structure) that people are in. The lethal area of a nuke against people in steel reinforced masonry structures is dramatically smaller than for people standing out in the open. Relatively simple, low cost bomb shelters based on underground fuel storage tanks developed by Professor Arthur Robinson can reduce the lethal area of a nuke by about 95%. Given such shelters, an attacker would need to deliver 10,000 nukes to 10,000 different target areas to kill the people in the 100 largest US cities. Bomb shelters can transform overkill into severe under kill.

Finally; the argument ignores the synergistic effect that shelters would have on missile interceptors. To protect unsheltered populations, the missile interceptor system needs to intercept at very high altitude. Given shelters that can protect people from 50 psi overpressure, the minimum intercept altitude can be as low as 2,000 feet. Simpler, lower cost antimissile systems included the Goal Keeper 30 mm Gatling gun can be employed for shorter ranged intercept. Suddenly; that seemingly impossible goal of a near perfect interceptor system becomes extremely plausible.

James Crawford=

Actually General Graham, Dr. Possony, Dr. Kane, and I made those arguments back in the 1970’s in various documents.

The Interstate Highway Act was justified in part by the provision that every major freeway intersection would house a large and well stocked fallout shelter, and at least one such shelter was built as part of a demonstration in the University District in Seattle. I saw it. Eisenhower was much in favor of it.

The USSR and much of the anti-anti-communist establishment in the US academic scene denounced this as an act of aggression against the Soviet Union. If this seems hard to believe, you can still find the papers by the Union of Concerned Scientists among others. Clearly since the Soviet Union would never attack the US, and US actions that would mitigate the destruction and death in the US was in preparation for an American first strike.

McNamara got rid of the civil defense aspects of the highway. Meanwhile the USSR required every Soviet citizen to take about 40 hours of civil defense instruction; but since this was in the peace loving USSR it was not an act of preparation for war with the US.

There are those who believe this yet.

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Jeffrey Singer: The Man Who Was Treated for $17,000 Less

Great spot Jerry, but the problem of ‘associations’ vs. ‘government’ come down to the last sentence in your comment – "And the associations were better able to deal with the problems of ‘entitlement’, justice, fraud, and the whole question of the deserving and undeserving poor." Who decides which poor are deserving and which are undeserving? In my view certainly government is too far removed, but ‘associations’ may too have biases which reward those with allegiance to local power authority, while ignoring the plight of those with a different point of view. I don’t see an easy solution at present.

Pete Russell

Perfect is always the enemy of better.

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Jerry,

I thought that you would recognize and appreciate the reference to "blood and treasure."

Bush at least was proceeding in the hope that he could bring a secular democracy to Iraq and was willing to spend blood and treasure to nurture that hope. Obama has every expectation and hope that Islam-fascists will prevail.

James Crawford

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Date: August 29, 2013 7:15:40 PM PDT

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Dr. Fay posted: "Posted on Governor Palin’s Facebook page this evening: Sarah Palin ———————- Mr. President, please give America justification before you spend blood and treasure to intervene. Start with: who are you rooting for in this? ———"

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Legitimacy, Constitutions, International Law

View 787 Wednesday, August 28, 2013

“Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency.”

President Barrack Obama, January 31, 2009

 

“Build your enemy a golden bridge to retreat across.”

The Art of War

Sun Tzu

 

“Never do any enemy a small injury.”

Niccolo Machiavelli

 

"President Obama believes there must be accountability for those who would use the world’s most heinous weapons against the world’s most vulnerable people."

John Kerry, Secretary of State

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We are abuzz with speculation about what act of war the United States will commit against Syria, apparently without any Congressional resolution or any United Nations consent, in order to teach the Syrians that they must not ignore international law. Apparently this is agreed to by France, but there is parliamentary debate in Britain; and of course Russia disagrees entirely.

The common consensus is that sometime in the next day or so – possibly as early as this evening – the Navy will launch Tomahawk missiles, targeting Syrian airfields. One presumes that the Syrian military authorities will have dispersed their aircraft and fuel assets to other places; craters in runways are easily fixed. Assad would do well to be in a bunker well outside his usual sphere of travel. As to what other targets are “legitimate” when the United States bombards a barbarian port as Great Powers frequently did in the 19th Century we can only speculate. The United States is serving as the al Qaeda Air Force, but whether we are allowing al Qaeda Syria any consultation in target selection I can’t say. Since President Obama is aware of the reaction to President Clinton’s symbolic bombardments, we can assume that this will be at least symbolically more effective. Craters in runways and perhaps the destruction of a few fire fighting and search and rescue aircraft conveniently left exposed may have to do.

It is of course the very definition of doing your enemy a small injury.

Of course there are those who advocate doing Bashar al-Assad a severe injury. Bomb hell out of them. Blow up his palaces, destroy his home. Reagan scared Khadafy into abject submission and deference. Perhaps it will work with Assad. The problem here is that having frightened Khadafy into being more willing to cooperate, we built him no golden bridge when his country exploded into revolution. The lesson being taught in the 21st Century is that dictators ought never to let go, because you will be hounded to your death, and your children killed. And if you can get nukes, get at least one, and quickly. It is a lesson easily learned even by a stupid man, and actually few dictators got their position from being stupid – or at least didn’t keep them long. Claudius was elevated to the purple by a drunken sergeant who discovered him hiding behind an arras and was elevated to command by officers convinced that he was elderly and befuddled: they learned better. Most of those elevated to supreme command have to be a lot more bloodthirsty. Claudius learned early that you have to be ruthless – don’t do enemies a small injury – as Messalina discovered.

It does seem certain that we are about to become involved in another war in the Middle East. It will cost ten times as much as is estimated, and will have unintended consequences. It will also have grave implications concerning constitutional government in the United States of America.

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The New York Times discusses the legality of bombarding Syria from the safety of the sea:

Bomb Syria, Even if It Is Illegal

By IAN HURD

Published: August 27, 2013 345 Comments

EVANSTON, Ill. — THE latest atrocities in the Syrian civil war, which has killed more than 100,000 people, demand an urgent response to deter further massacres and to punish President Bashar al-Assad. But there is widespread confusion over the legal basis for the use of force in these terrible circumstances. As a legal matter, the Syrian government’s use of chemical weapons does not automatically justify armed intervention by the United States.

There are moral reasons for disregarding the law, and I believe the Obama administration should intervene in Syria. But it should not pretend that there is a legal justification in existing law. Secretary of State John Kerry seemed to do just that on Monday, when he said of the use of chemical weapons, “This international norm cannot be violated without consequences.” His use of the word “norm,” instead of “law,” is telling.

Of course pelting people with missiles has some consequences. It is an act of war and presumably make all the members of your armed forces legitimate targets of retaliation. One supposes that no one is very concerned about that.

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Nerve Agents

Jerry,

I looked at some of the victim tapes and they sure were twitching in a familiar way. Admittedly, my personal experience is with demo goats. A bit of neurotoxin in the eye; twitch,twitch; a syrette of atropine in the haunch; artificial respiration by the modified chest pressure/hoof pull method. About five minutes later the star staggers off the stage back to the pen. Survive three shows and you are off to Pelham Range to live a feral life.

Folks around Anniston might be able to tell us how the herd is doing these days.

Since the MSF doctors did not bring anybody back from the brink and there is plenty of atropine available in the area, it looks like somebody came up with old(probably) Russian rockets loaded with GD. Atropine won’t help with that.

As to whodunit, now there is plenty of room for speculation. May not even have been any of the serious participants.

Val Augstkalns

I presume that someone used nerve gas in Syria and killed between 100 and 300 people in an incident that changed nothing about the course of the civil war – except to enlist the United States to serve as al Qaeda air force.

a very short guide to the middle east

http://smallwarsjournal.com/blog/a-short-guide-to-the-middle-east

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Jerry,

Just received

What if anything do you know about this? I’m looking for confirmation or discreditation.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2013/01/leaked-emails-prove-obama-backed-plan-to-launch-chemical-weapon-attack-on-syria-and-blame-it-on-assa.html

I know nothing about it nor does anyone else I have asked. It seems enormously unlikely: unlikely that there was such a plot, and even less likely that anyone involved in such double dyed villainy would ever use an e-mail for any part of it. In any event no one I know considers it likely, and few consider it possible.

 

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Senator Cruz of Texas is trying a direct experiment in this Internet age: he is seeking support for withdrawing funding from ObamaCare when the next continuing resolution – there won’t be a budget of course – comes up this fall.

http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/

 

No intervention in Syria

Dear Dr. Pournelle,

Having read on your site, I was inspired to create a white house petition urging restraint in Syria. 100,000 signatures will force SOME kind of a response, even if it’s nothing more than a pat on the head.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/say-no-war-syria/cr4tYvSG

Feel free to sign and pass on if you agree.

Respectfully,

Brian P.

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The Road to War

View 787 Tuesday, August 27, 2013

“Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency.”

President Barrack Obama, January 31, 2009

 

“Build your enemy a golden bridge to retreat across.”

The Art of War

Sun Tzu

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It has become breaking news and hard to follow, but one thrust is clear: the neo-cons and Secretary Kerry seem determined to involve the United States in the Syrian war. There has been no suggestion of what would get us out of the war once we are in it.

The provocation is about 100 civilians killed by war gas. The death of those civilian Syrians could not have been very useful to Bashar al-Assad, and thus he would have had to be a very stupid man to have ordered their use against that target: if you are going to cross a line in the sand, you don’t do it by spitting across it.

In the old days it was traditional for major powers to demonstrate their serious intentions by bombarding a port of a minor nation that wasn’t paying sufficient tribute to the major power. A warship would pull into the harbor and bombard the fort. Tomahawk missiles are I suppose the modern equivalent except that we will be bombarding cities far inland. Drone warfare with a vengeance. If we are fortunate the result will not exceed more than 200 civilian casualties. We will be certain there will be some, and that there will be a teddy bear in the wreckage shown on world television.

The news states that we are doing target selection, and trying to involve others in the fight, to include Turkey. Is this an invocation of NATO against Russia? I don’t know of any formal alliance between Russia and Syria; there is nothing like WTO involved.

We seem on a track to war. Not to effect a regime change – after all both Kerry and Mrs. Clinton have said that Bashar al-Assad is more liberal than his father and at one time they seemed to prefer him to the rebels who slaughter Christians – but to “punish” Syria for using war gas. And we have decided that he has used them, in the most ineffective way he could have used them, for no military purpose whatever.

I’m waiting for the TV image of the teddy bear on the wreckage from an American bombardment.

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Syria and the "third possibility that nobody counted upon"

Jerry

I recall listening to the “Entire Massacree” of Alice’s Restaurant some 45 years ago, and many times since. Aside from inspiring me to visit the village of Stockbridge, Massachusetts, the song had a line in it I have never forgotten:

"There was a third possibility that nobody had counted upon."

I thought of that while pondering the recent chemical attack in Syria. Seemingly everybody wants to blame the government, but the government denies they made the attack. As chemical attacks go, it was pretty small. Would the Assad government risk US intervention over so small an attack? I haven’t heard that any strategic assets were being threatened. It just seems like a random attack. Who would do such a thing?

There are four major factions in Syria – one government and three separatist groups. I think the Kurds had nothing to do with this. It seems unlikely the Assads would have much to gain from this attack. The quantity of gas used in the attack seems to fit the resources of someone who had captured that supply from government stores, not the government itself. Could this be an example of the jihadists attacking secular rebels and civilians with captured gas?

Ed

I find a false flag operation far more probable than that Bashar ordered an ineffective gas attack just so he could be accused of using them.

Jerry,

I am speaking as someone who has professional experience and knowledge obtained from professional contacts but no access to specific intelligence.

1. I am mortally convinced that Saddam had chemical weapons, to include non-conventional chemical weapons. Based on information I’ve seen, a portion was likely transferred to Syria by Saddam, a portion was disposed of by Saddam’s forces, and a portion was disposed of by other means. I can’t confirm any of this, but I have seen too much evidence – virtually all open source – just short of confirmation to believe otherwise. I can speculate on sound reasons why the government would suppress such information, even to the political embarrassment of President Bush.

2. Regarding the current Syrian exercise: I am going back to your original comment: who did it. This looks like an attack mostly against civilians in a rebel-held zone, and the casualties appear to be mostly non-combatants. Kerry is blaming Assad, but it could as easily be a false flag operation intended to force the US in against the Assad regime. Given the previous round of emails-essays about Muslim Brotherhood involvement in US politics, I am forced to the belief that the current Administration is supporting the false flag.

A

It would be far better for the United States to be thought feckless for assuming this was not done by Assad than to have us involved in yet one more perpetual war for perpetual peace. We have plenty of work for the armed forces without killing Syrians in Syria.

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WMDs in Iraq

Dr. Pournelle,

I have to toss the "BS flag" when anyone says that no one found any sort of VX, Sarin, or whichever sort of nerve agent in Iraq. I personally met soldiers from the 4th Infantry Division that not only stumbled upon bunkers of 55 gallon drums full of it, they had to go through the complete decontamination procedures, to include the extra long swabs rammed up into their sinuses and all other orifices. Painful to say the least.

I’m sure that, for whatever reason, our military was directed to report that no WMDs were found. I cannot come up with any good reason why this was so, but suffice to say, that statement is not correct. I lump it in the same category with the stories from Vietnam when our military claimed that Agent Orange had no side effects and from the Gulf War, as is still maintained that Saddam did not use chemical weapons on our soldiers, even though the chemical detectors were repeatedly set off from the "smoke" drifting in on my unit’s positions. Our NCO told us that his direction was to wear NBC suits and masks until told otherwise.

In short, I was in Kuwait and spoke with the 4th ID chemical guys and know the people that experienced the chemo attack in the Gulf War. The all stick by their stories.

Keep up the good work,

Bill R.

But there was great incentive to show WMD and take Johnny Depp over to look at them. Along with other critics of the Iraq war. I would have thought that Bush had paladin officers out looking for any signs of WMD ready to summon the New York Times…

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Syria–a DARPA challenge?

How do you disable chemical weapons from afar? What can we do neutralize the poison in the tanks? Or in the atmosphere? Put a blanket over the stockpiles? Chelate the stuff in the air? I realize that such technology might not be available right away, but looking ahead, it seems like a good investment, not only for rogue states, but also for everyone’s homeland security.

Maybe we could yet turn the whole dreadful Syria thing into a positive, if we could figure out a new way to deal with gas, before they turn some loose on closer to home.

JP

Vaporize and burn. There was considerable research on this at Edgewood in the 1960’s and I make no doubt there has been more since them. It is a messy operation and if there are a lot of chemicals the timing is crucial: the napalm has to arrive just in time to prevent the toxins from dispersing before they can burn, but after the disruption of their containers.  I have no idea whether the Navy has ever practiced such operations. They are very tricky and the chance of something going wrong and killing a lot of people is quite high.

If your own troops are threatened there are desperation operations; after all, one does not wait for the enemy to fire his machine guns if you can blow up the bunker.  But if the bunker is in the middle of an orphanage it does give pause to those who order the bombardment.

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When I was a sophomore in high school I concluded from my studies that the law ought to be color blind.  Except for the Brothers at my school I was regarded as a communist. I continued in that opinion for the rest of my life, and now I am regarded as a hopeless right wing radical.  Yet I continue to believe that the law ought to be color blind.  I have a dream.

 

An 88 year old WW II vet was murdered in Spokane by two teen agers who were apparently infuriated when he defended himself, and doubtless thought he had dissed them when he didn’t plead and give them everything he had. I do not see much national outrage. http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/26/us/world-war-vet-beating-death

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/13/justice/zimmerman-it-firing/index.html 

 

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